Vick: A City of Second Chances – Hypocrisy and Hope Are Alive in Philadelphia
The Michael Vick controversy is loaded with emotional flash points: Andy Reid, citing his own family struggles, and Tony Dungy , his life shattered by his son’s death, finding the courage to stand up for someone who was abandoned by fans and most of America after committing heinous crimes on animals. A generous attitude rules. A team not known for accepting people with a troubled past, reaches out to one of the most controversial sports figures of his time. The reaction is harsh, very harsh, and some would say the reaction, and the anger is appropriate to the crime. I would say that, and I would also say that Michael Vick’s actions as a human being were disgusting and ruthless.
But you have to admit that this is the original city of second chances, in sports and in life in general. Of course, there is no way to compare our history of “second chances” with the hole that Vick dug for himself in the dog fighting scandal but it’s worth taking a look at our recent history.
A guy named Ed Rendell lost his race for Mayor in 1987 and was declared politically finished by the brilliant writers in the city. Ron Jaworski was booed so badly here that I don’t know how, at times, he had the stamina to actually take the field. There’s a manager named Charles Emanuel who was villified and emasculated and insulted by writers, fans and talk radio ranters for several years. Bob Clarke, the man who made this a city of champions the hard way with grit and courage, had so many moments of glory and agony in Philadelphia sports.
Of course, no one in public life here has ever done anything as brutalizing as Vick’s crime, but we have looked the other way at sports figures who committed domestic violence, and pro football players elsewhere who have been associated with shootings and suspected of killings. The hockey world has accepted back a former local star found guilty of gambling. Most people here would put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame in a minute.
There is something unusual about the Philadelphia psyche. We are quick to judge, but in the end, there is a generous and sometimes warm acceptance of flaws in human behavior. I know. I saw it throughout a career in broadcasting that spanned the last 43 years. People from our area get a raw deal from network broadcasters who portray as a city of outrageous fans who have no respect for civility. That is an unfortunate stereotype. We are winners in many ways. We’re just hard on the people who represent us.
The fact is that people from our area are are generous to a fault, and willing to change their perspectives if they think they are wrong. There are limits though.
So the question remains: Are the Philadelphia Eagles being hypocritical by giving Vick a chance, as some of our newly-moralistic sports writers suggest? Or, a second question: does hope trump hypocrisy?
Personally I view the hiring of Vick as a gesture of civility and hope.
The other night, Steve Stone, a former president of Beth Or Congregation in Maple Glen, asked me what I thought about Vick. I said, “I would give him a second chance with conditions, notably that any problem. any return to even a hint of violence, would mean he would be fired on the spot.”
Steve said, “How about Larry Mendte? Shouldn’t he get a second chance? How about Alycia Lane?”
Great question.
The question has been bothering me ever since it was asked. Where does hypocrisy end and where does reality begin?
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How about Dan Leonne?
He’s the guy who the Eagles fired over a post he made on Facebook.
I’m sure the Eagles will be calling any day now with Dan’s second chance, right?
People who are repentant deserve a second chance.
This type of heroic behavior is what is needed to save the local newspapers from extinction.
I am working with my boss, supervisor, and friend Brian Tierney on a collaborative series of positive dialogue intended to bring about substantive changes to the way in which we present our product.
Larry, I just wish that you and Jeff Lurie lived between Vick and his thug friends. Then maybe you would get the idea that this wasn’t a mistake. This was a way of life. Dead dogs being dragged out the back door would be the norm for Vick and his friends as you and Jeff sat on your back deck sipping wine coolers. This happens to hundreds of people in Phila every day. Their only recourse is to keep their mouth shut unless they want their house burnt down.
As far as I am concerned the Eagles have crossed the line of decency. I may watch a game or two but the passion is gone. Jeffry Lurie is a stinken — and I do mean —.
Lurie’s decision and reasoning is another example that inherited wealth and stupidity are often not inseparable.
there are a million people who could do mendte and lane’s jobs, vick is one in a million, there lies the difference in why one would be hired and given a chance over the next
Who let the dogs out? Woof woof woof
Who let the dogs out? Woof woof woof
Does this mean the focus is off me for a week? Woof woof woof
The question has been bothering me ever since it was asked. Where does hypocrisy end and where does reality begin?
Answer: this website every week!
Oh man the alarm went off this morning and I’ve got 3 strange guys from the Parrott crashed on my floor. Must have been those Kamakazis last night.
Larry only you could write for 5 paragraphs on the subject of Michael Vick and not take a position or a stand. You are truly unbelievable!
Here’s how the first VP from Scranton comes down on the Iggles’ signing of Michael Vick.
1) As an Iggles’ fan I’m confused at the signing. Michael Vick was a supreme athlete. 4.2 40 time. Threw the ball 80 yards. Problem is he sucks. He can run but can’t successful move the team as a QB. Is he really a better QB than Feeley or Kolb? He wasn’t and how will 2 year hiatus help? Is Reid planning to use him in Wildcat role? Does he think he is going to fool anyone? Stupid signing football-wise. He sucks as an NFL QB.
2) Everywhere the Iggles go the opposing fans will be barking at the team. If Vick ever gets in a game, imagine the reaction. He will cause an unnecessary distraction. Like TO he will be an on and off the field distraction. Unlike TO he is not worth the distraction. He sucks.
3) For all those who think Jeff Lurie and Andy Reid are great humanitarians think again. They think Vick is a low cost insurance policy for when McNabb goes down. They are likely as repulsed by Vick as the rest of us. Why sign a creton for goodwill? It will only bring barking and boos.
So there you have it. It is a bad signing from every point of view. There is little real upside. Vick is a creton that enjoyed hooking car batteries up to dogs and killing them. Does anyone really believe he is rehabiliated? This type of behavior shows deep psychological problems. Does a championship caliber team really need the distraction and a creton that sucks?
Here are the questions that Larry should be asking.
1) Will he go by Michael Vick or Ron Mexico in Philadelphia?
2) Will his jersey number by K-9?
3) What is the over/under on how many days he lasts with the Iggles?
Larry you never cease to amaze us with your fence straddling and your bleeding heart liberal bent. You continue to embarrass yourself.
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I believe in second chances, Larry. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
So fuck the Eagles and their win at any cost attitude. It’s a sickness, and it’s sad that people try to excuse it.
It’s nothing new, Football Players have always gotten ” A Pass ” on their crimes since they played in Hign School… that will never change…. Athlete’s are “Gods” no matter what age or crime they do. !!
I’ve had the inscription on my tombstone changed to:
All in all, I’d rather not be in Philadelphia anymore.
Bill Clinton’s tombstone wiil read:
All in all, I’d rather be a Philanderer
Leave it to the Eagles. They have compounded the problem at QB. Signing Vick as a backup for McNabb is like throwing kerosine on a fire. 2 under performing QBs in starter and backup role. Does that make sense to you? No I know you are saying there goes the racist ElRushbo again. Not so. These guys are incapable of leading a team to the Superbowl regardless of the race, color, creed or sexual orientation. These Eagles confound me with their haphazard player personnel decision making. Snurdly, send them a dozen Milkbones.
Michael Vick served his time in jail and he apologized. What does the public want?
We have allowed athletes to play despite allegations of domestic violence (Brett Myers), murder (Donte Stallworth – 30 days in jail/1 year suspension) and sexual assault (Ben Roethlisberger).
He spent 19 months in prison and deserves a second chance.
My question to Larry Kane about Mendte & Lane was to probe his thinking. In fact, I do not think the Eagles should have signed Vick, for 2 reasons: 1st, fair or not, professional athletes are role models for kids. Vick should not be given a “role model” job. 2nd, Vick’s crimes were not a momentary lapse of judgment. Rather, they were a multi-year course of conduct. More like Bernie Madoff than Donte Stallworth. Anyone want to give Madoff a Second Chance if he repents?
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Eagles fans split on Vick signing
August 16, 2009 10:37 AM
Posted by ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio
PHILADELPHIA — Three days later, the decision by the Eagles to bring Michael Vick to this highly charged atmosphere in Philadelphia continues to be volatile, controversial and divisive. Philly.com’s poll question, “Are you for or against the Eagles signing Michael Vick?” has so far had in excess of 38,000 respondents according to the print edition of the Inquirer. And it’s split right down the middle:
50.9 percent against. 49.1 percent for.
And get this: In the history of the poll, the Vick question has generated the second most responses ever. The No.1 question got more than 60,000 responses in June 2008.
The question was: Do you believe in God? (Only 28 percent said yes, 65 percent said no, six percent were not sure.)
Steve, we all like to probe Larry, but you were lucky
enough to get acknoledged, he must like you, he
despises many of us.
I think larry was pointing back at Mendte and Lane and saying
the media is attacking and outraged at Vick and is
forgetting that people who live in glass house shoul
not throw stones. Vick paid his dues and should be forgiven.
I see larry was afraid to mention the crime without
referring to it as haneous. Abusising woman and elder,
rape, murder, kidnapping are haneous. Dog fighty is animal
cruelty, that’s all it is. Get some freaking perspective.
As a nonsequitor, was walking in old city today and saw two gay
Midgets with a pit bull, it really brought a smile to my
face, one of the midgets had a spiked dog collar just
like the pit bull! Now that is brotherly and doggerly love!
By the way, those midgets (aka, little people)
and their pitbull deserve good goverment healthcare
at low cost, and if that means old people get less
so be it. Anyone who does not agree is a homophobic
anti midget, anti animal right bigot!
larry,how can you defend this criminal mike vick,him and his thugs friends stole family pets and therapy dogs for the diabled to feed to pitbulls for amusement,he killed more the 100 dogs in five years this is his way of life,one of these days he will kill again,and it won’t be a dog.
as the rev wracist would say god d*mn michael vick and god d*mn the eagles..
We have discussed (or is that disgust) Michael Vick enough. It is universally accepted by the bloggers here that signing him was a mistake on many levels. With the exception of Larry who failed to take a definitive position and a couple of “he paid his dues leave him be” liberals we have churned this into butter as my Mutter use to say.
Back to the salient topic at hand – socialistic healthcare. On this topic the bloggers seem to be split – those that want to retain their current healthcare and not cut off seniors and those that don’t understand that they are supporting a woefully flawed plan.
Check this out while you are at it.
http://www.borderinvasionpics.com/privateshowing/BIPevidence1.html
And this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVX6aGHt7yM
“jedge not, that ye be not jedged”-:)
AMAZING, if polls have any validity, and only 28% believe in God, that only 28% of the population has such great control over maintaining God’s position/presence in governance and the trust we place in Him/Her!!!
Perhaps it’s that same 28% which objects to giving others a second chance and who have such great influence in denying health care/life to humans.
Seems like the greatest tool for influencing thought is a LYING BIG MOUTH.
JF thanks for the sermon. You are no Rev Wright but thanks anyway. Please don’t speak on my behalf. You are not Ivy League. You are not in the elite. You are not at my level. You are part of the 10% that never got the word.
Michael Vick has paid his debt to society. You can argue whether 2 years was enough for what he did but that’s what a judge decided. He is free to go and live his life. That doesn’t excuse the Eagles for signing this loser. That does not mean we should forgive him. It just means he’s free.
And John Fisher thanks for not being JOHN FISHER anymore. No need to scream from the mountain tops.
Who is Charles Emanuel ? Do you mean Charlie Manuel ? And by the way,Philly sports fans deserve all the scorn they get.Even the baseball crowd is getting out of control,unfortunately I’ve witnessed this up close & personal.
Actually Ronald Reagan knows best!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2jyGZL1e2k
Beisbol has been berry berry good to me.
Yo y’all need to get down wid my healthcare plan homies. Cut loose Grandma and ride da gravy train y’all.
Yo you need to be signin up now!
If you think this is a bad signing what do you think I think about it?
Barry, a sermon was not the intent. I’d expect you would TRY, from your “elite” position, to use your head.
No one can retrieve what motivates you. What is in YOUR head, only YOU have power to control. Hatred is a negative emotion which tends to harm those whom it overwhelms. Of course, if you were like me, you’d HATE Right Wing Republicans, communists, fascists, et al, more than God hates sin!!!
If it gets you anywhere, and your OPINION about Vic pleases you, stick with it. You’re da man (assuming you are a man)!!!-:) It’s our (your’s, mine, ‘n’ t’ other guys) own emotional stability which counts!!-:)
NOW, you may interpret this as a “sermon”-:) VBG
Way too heavy for me. Where do you get this stuff from?
You’ll have to consult Barry for that!!=:) What’s in Barry’s head, my friend, is all in thread!!!=:)
John am I to gather that you are a smiling mohawk?
=:)
John Fisher what the hell are you talking about? You speak in parables and jabberwocky. You are smoking the liberal wacky weed. You are drinking the socialist koolaid. You sound like a Pelolsi zombie. Congratulations my friend you have arrived as a full fledged Democrat.
jack russell come back to us
Boy am I sick of this column already. This John Fisher is unreadable and Of course Larry’s stance on a controversial issue comes up lame again. No offense to you John, everyone has their own opinion…. oh except Larry. He usually has no opinion at all. Yea we all know he is 100% behind the second chance provision for Vick, yet he goes on and on about the cons of such a policy. His friends must feed him information like I would drop a dollar in a pan handler’s cup on Chestnut Street. “Oh Laarrry we must give this man a second chance he’s served his time and who are we to judge? Remember Ezekiel and the Prodigal son who killed Lazarus and was resurrected and found himself in the belly of a whale where once his house stood built on a foundation of sand instead of rock, which God would have told him if only his cousins didn’t eat that apple in the garden of Eden. That’s why Larry we should let this man live out his remaining days doing what he was meant to do…… besides killing dogs, play Football!!!!! That’s what Jeff Laurie told Larry…..so I’m told.
Rush, I’ve NEVER needed the weed nor (as you have) any illegal use of drugs!! Undoubtedly, having imbibed, your sanity has been impaired to the point where we no longer consider you a comedian. At this point, I doubt that even institutialization would benefit you. In time, you may be happy that single payer has become a reality. Money has no value for those who have completely lost it.
In spite of that knowledge, I’d like to thank you for your compliment!!-:)
John Fisher I am an entertainer. Millions of Americans listen to me daily. I entertain. I talk about subjects that people want to talk about. Unlike Larry Dearest I take a stand. I put myself out there. I don’t read and re-read my script in hopes of not offending anyone. Screw that. Sometimes I go over the line. Tough. The press have become such Obama and Club Dem apologists that it is embarrassing. I sir serve as the catalyst. I am the lightning rod. I am the walrus.
Vic = Black Sheep or Scapegoat???
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alec-baldwin/michael-vick-black-sheep_b_260990.html
Walrus??? Malicious Virus would be more like it!!!=:)
Will the real ElRushbo please stand up.
The real ElRushbo would not cowtow to a liberal lightweight like the agitator formerly known as JOHN FISHER.
John grow a pair. Get a clue. Separate from Larry Dearest (can I borrow that name?)
John Fisher do not read the Huffington Post. No respectable blogger here references that rag. You are killing me.
Maybe Michael Vick should get a job at the Huffington Post as their pet and animal reporter.
The insanity continues……. Rush Bimbaugh and John my ass is a Fissure. Can Larry do something about these two idiots or are we stuck with them like we are stuck with the Swine Flu…… anticipated yet completely unwelcome……
Ed my friend you are part of the problem if you are not contributing or at least participating. Larry Dearest is not listening to you. He won’t return until someone dies or next Sunday.
Better cover that ass, Ed!!! You may be surprised at who’s coming!!!! Other diseases can turn out to be even more devastating than the anticpated Swine plague.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0809/26173.html
Wait a minute Rush, Larry monitors this site as if he were the Queen Mary. He’s not a queen but he has many acquaintances who are. I think Jeff Lurie is a queen but he uses football to cover up the fact. Hiring Vick brought down a wrath of criticism from his fancy boy friends who adore dogs. He told them it was strictly business. How could he pass up a deal like he got by signing a 100 million dollar athlete for peanuts. Besides he said that he would do all of his pissed off boyfriends for free……
Not so fast Ed where is your proof? If he is monitoring closely why has it become such a disfunctional mess? He might monitor the number of posts. He might peak in once a week for highly inappropriate comments. He rarely thinks about this God foresaken site that bares his name. Larry Dearest gone but not forgotten.
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph Ed, Jeff Laurie is not a homosexual.
That’s just how a lot of married Jewish men act,
you really need to get out more in and around Lower
Merion!
lord abbot….. Jeffry Laurie may not beeee a homosexual in real life but it is the only way that I can protest his idiotic move in hiring a guy that took pleasure in watching dogs rip each other to shreds for years upon years. Vick even tried to claim that the PO-lice condoned the fights. This was in his interview last night on 60 Minutes. He lied on the stand and he was lying last night. Jeffry couldn’t care less. Jeffry cares about money that’s all he cares about. Counter intuitive my ass……
Oh no Ed, you and 50% of philadelphia are over reacting
to this matter. They were animals he abused not
humans. He got a stiff sentence and is now working with
the Hunane Society to mend his ways. He will do more now to
help thousands of animals and rasie awareness of abuse in
the black and hispanic communities where dog fighting occurrs.
There could be no better spokesman with true street cred to
talk these young men out of engaging in such
haneous (as larry calls it) behavior. Its a Ghetto
problem that calls for a ghetto solution, and Vick is the
man! Laurie is a heterosexual genius who got a great deal
on a good man who once did some very bad things.
God Bless Michael Vick, Jeffrey Laurie, and as always, the
Great Larry Kane!
Vic is a victim, compared to those who get away with murder, treason, and profiteering in an arena where humans are treated like the dogs in the Vic pens:
http://www.goharrison.com/goharrison.com/VIDEO_Podcasts/Entries/2009/7/28_Economic_Meltdown_Going_as_Planned.html
Taking the 6:05 into DC today.
John Fisher you are a piece of work. Are you a retired man of the cloth? You sound like you are preaching from the pulpit. Don’t be too quick to forgive Vick. He is a bad person that did bad things. He likely is not sorry for his actions only sorry he got caught. He has a history of bad behavior. 2 years in prison does fix anyone’s problems. Prison only serves as a deterent to those that might do something bad and thing twice about the possible consequences. Prison has never rehabilated anyone. It only punishes people and they out angrier then when they went in. I’m not suggesting that Vick should have received the death sentence for his crime but the death penalty serves as the ultimate deterent to harden criminals. If they commit heinous crimes in spite of the death penalty maybe they deserve it.
Maybe this blog deserves the death penalty.
Joe, its proven that the death penaly does not
serve as a deterant, what kind of imposter Democrat
are you?!
This Fisher guy is an old guy that use to sit around
the shuffle board court at Larry’s club. Larry
Came over and asked if any of the darkly tanned
men knew how to use the internet. Larry needed a liberal
voice in his blog posts that also had to be somewhat
real. Fisher is not a puppet-he’s a real man- but is here at the behest
of Larry Kane. How’s that for detective work?
I believe in second chances, Larry. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
So fuck the Eagles and their win at any cost attitude. It’s a sickness, and it’s sad that people try to excuse it.
Does oeL have Alzheimers or did someone copy his post #11?
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Leo is actually talking about John Kerry who did to
Vietnamese people what Vick did to dogs. Kerry
is also a liar and perjurer.
Lord Abott is more of a cricket fan than football
but he is considering buying a Vick Jersey and traveling
around the city raising awareness about animal
cruelty. That’s what #7 is going to mean in phildelphia,
Vick will repent, play great football, and do more for
Animal rights than any blogger or hater like Leo
will do.
I know John Kerry and the only contact he had with the Vietnamese people was with his Vietnamese Bar Girl Cumsoon. He treated her very kindly. She had no compliants except that he had a swiftboat if you get my drift.
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I believe in second chances, Larry. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
So fuck the Eagles and their win at any cost attitude.
I don’t believe in second chances, Larry. I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage.
Why does the conversation keep coming back to this Vick character?
Bad QB
Bad person
Bad signing
ElRushbo has seen enough Vick talk.
Rushbo what the hell are you talking about? You speak in parables and jabberwocky. You are smoking the cock. You are drinking the national socialist koolaid. You sound like a Larry Craig zombie. Congratulations my friend you have arrived as a full fledged turdblossom.
RA you sir are a dweeb and not very clever I might add. It is no wonder where you got your name from sir. Pull your head out of the liberal gutter long enough to smell the coffee. Snurdly please send the RA a dishonorable discharge. You know the kind we set on fire and put on Nancy Pelosi front steps last Halloween.
Leave the man alone!!! We NEED the taxes he pays to support an industry which is bankrupting this once greater nation.
We’re already paying for national health insurance. We’re just not getting it:
http://www.pnhp.org/publications/payingnotgetting.pdf
Leo says he believes in second chances, but
Really does not. Otherwise he would give a
desrving guy like Vick a second chance. It’s
hard to not feel racial animosity in his and
others harsh condemnation of Vick. We may have
a black president, but bigotry against authentic
black men who were raised in America’s underclass
simply did not know they were doing wrong, his
father was not there to teach him. But whitey
wants to keep lynching him and make him a rest room
attendant at the Linc, even though he paid his debt.
Larry, the real hypocracy comes from racist animal rights
Zelots who are blinded by their self righeous
outrage. You have the right take on this issue
and are correct- cut a brother some slack and give
him a second chance!
Leo Bloom, moolB oeL and John Fisher all feel the need to support their contentions with links to websites that alledgedly support their claims.
http://workingclassconservative.blogspot.com/2009/08/why-universal-healthcare-is-losing.html
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/august_2009/support_for_congressional_health_care_reform_falls_to_new_low
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/sns-ap-us-health-overhaul-aarp,0,5841208.story
http://spectator.org/blog/2009/07/29/gallup-suggests-obama-losing-t
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124882375969988353.html
Grandma got runover by a reindeer
walking home from our house christmas eve
you could say theres no such thing as santa
but as for me and grandpa we believe
she’d been drinking too much egg nog
and we begged her not to go
but her medication got cut off
and she staggered out the door into the snow
when we found her the Christmas morning
at the scene of the attack
she had hoofprints on her fore head
and incriminating Clause marks on her back
grandma got runover by a reindeer
walking home from our house christmas eve
you could say theres no such thing as santa
but as for me and grandpa we believe
now we’re all so proud of grandpa
he’s been taking this so well
see him in there watching football
drinking beer and playing cards with cousin Nel
its not christmas without grandma
all the family’s dressed in black
and we just cant help but wonder
should we open up her gifts or send them back?
(send them back!)
grandma got runover by a reindeer
walking home from our house christmas eve
you could say theres no such thing as santa
but as for me and grandpa we believe
now the goose is on the table
and the pudding made of fig (ah!)
and the blue and silver candles
that would just have matched the hair in grandmas wig
i’ve warned all our friends and neighbours
better watch out for yourselves
they should never give a license
to a man who drives a sleigh and plays with elves
grandma got runover by a reindeer
walking home from our house christmas eve
you could say theres no such thing as santa
but as for me and grandpa we believe
(sing it grandpa!)
grandma got runover
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/10001
http://healthcarehorserace.com/activism/06292009/liberals-losing-steam-disheartened-in-quest-for-socialized-medicine/
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/the_associated_press_obama_losing_some_support_among/
Fact man, I’ve read the material in each of your links. Apparently, you are able to distinguish between fact ‘n’ fiction.
Polls can be slanted and, having been fed with so many LIES, and the source of a particular poll, at a particular time, we can’t rely on the truthfulness they try to convey.
As for AARP, you are taking a figure the news is spreading. There may be no truth, at all, as to why there is a loss of membership. That’s just another piece of propaganda. It may well be, if there was an actual loss, that it happened AFTER AARP denied it was supporting the plans for improved medical delivery at a lower expense. Had you not considered that AARP has a vested interest in the profits generated by its health care products, prescriptions, and insurance products. I’ve watched that organization for 30 years, ever since I became a member. It was when I wised up to the fact that they weren’t on the side of seniors, but on the side of corporate profits, that I gave up my membership.
Now, if you want to deal with “FACTS” and not propaganda, get it from the horse’s mouth and give up on the propagation of LIES:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/?e=11&ref=text0
THE SECURITY YOU GET from health insurance reform:
No Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions
Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.
No Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays
Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.
No Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care
Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.
No Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill
Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.
No Gender Discrimination
Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.
No Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage
Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.
Extended Coverage for Young Adults
Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.
Guaranteed Insurance Renewal
Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won’t be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.
Here are some more TRUTHS:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/faq/?e=11&ref=myth1
Deal with it!!=:)
One, two, three, four…
Hrmm!
One, two, (one, two, three, four!)
Let me tell you how it will be;
There’s one blog for you, nineteen for me.
‘Cause I’m the Fact Man,
Yeah, I’m the Fact Man.
Should five per cent appear too small,
Be thankful I don’t take it all.
‘Cause I’m the Fact Man,
Yeah, I’m the Fact Man.
Fact man, I’ve read the material in each of your links. Apparently, you are UNable to distinguish between fact ‘n’ fiction!!!-:) (edit MSG 78)
Wow I have my own song!
Hey John, if I want the true facts about healthcare the last place I’d go to is the White House. Duh. Second to last place I’d go is Congress. Surely you are joking. If so, good one.
JOHN FISHER did you get a haircut since yesterday?
=:) before
-:) after
Ahoy! I believe in second chances, Larry. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
Ahem. I believe in second chances, Mr. Kane. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
Plus, like McNabb, this guy is only where he is because of his race.
Nice work Mr Fisher, you seem to really be finding
Your groove here, and while I don’t agree with you
Excpet with regard to Vick, you are diligent and respectful. I bet blogging really
beats shuffle board on a hot day like this!
It’s so sad, “fact man” that you appear to be motivated by sound bites ‘n’ LIES. That, too, my friend is what influences the minds of many who are being polled at a paarticular time and in a particular area. You may be aware, for instance, that in some states (where apparently people are more easily influenced by propaganda) more money is spent on advertising fear than in other more progressive areas of the county. So many communities are more like cults, leaving them open to all kinds of disBELIEF.
Now, here is another poll (by a conservative group) which indicates that 83% of those polled favor what others have determined to be anathema. Of course, my objective would be to tell the TRUTH ABOUT THOSE WHO LIE!!!=:)
http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2009062515/new-poll-shows-tremendous-support-public-health-care-option
The Chamber of Commerce, in today’s issue, came out with a strong message encouraging its members to fight the new health care plans. Overwhelmingly, members came back in strong opposition to that leaderships recomendations.
Beware of the corporate entities which lobby against you, “Fact Man”, in favor of those who suck the life out of your assets (first the financial ‘n’ then the physical).
Now that you mention it, Abbot, I had forgotten all about shuffle boards and the expertise I once had in playing on them!!=:) Gosh!!! It may be about 45 years since I last even heard the term.
Ah, the days of wine ‘n roses (‘n’ shuffle boards)!!!=:)
BTW, you don’ have to agree with me!!!-:) I really don’t favor “yes” men!! Thank you, at least, for listening. If you’d like to challenge my thought, I’m open to it.
Thanks again!!=:)
Must we endure this Smooch fest? Get a room you guys. Or at least a shuffleboard court. Good grief.
Rush, we’re about to adjourn for the day. We’ll take up the case of your ill gotten thought at some other time. Speaking of getting a room. I often think that you are upset that you can’t share a room with President Clinton!!! It occurs to me that that is why you carry that great big ceegar between your evil lips as you dream of what it would be like!!!-:)
The only thing more morose and disgusting than the thought of sex with Bill Clinton is having sex with Hillary. Eeeeeeeh
Smok’em if you got’em John Fisher.
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I’ve got to admit this Mike Vick story has really divided the loyal fans in this area. I’m afraid the issue has fallen along racial lines, There isn’t one black person who feels that he’s already served his time or that we kill deer or the chickens….. oh my lord how many chickens do we slaughter each day. And don’t we all have skeletons in our closet? (Most people do but I doubt they are dog skeletons). This is turning into the OJ verdict. I remember working in an office back then with a whole bunch of black girls when the OJ verdict came down. You would have thought that Abe Lincoln had just freed the slaves when these girls heard the verdict.
I knew at that moment that the racial divide in this country runs deep and based on the Vick hiring black people still are fighting the good fight.
Most Black people and a good number of smart enlightend
Whites want to give Vick a second chance.
Pasty faced white liberals who eat tofu and drive
Hybrid cars and drink Chardonay while taking
with their eyes closed are against him. They
value the lives of dead dogs over that of a repentant
Live black man, and that pretty much exposes
those people for who they really are.
LA does that mean Obama is against him?
He fits your description.
Rush, it does except skin color trumps the other
things I mentioned, so Obama is for Vick.
Also forgot to include working class whites like
Ed who deep down have an issue with a black man
making a seven or eight figure income based purely
on talent and free market demand, so can’t blame
affirmative action on his success or a sympathic
judge that didn’t send him to prison.
So we have an balck man who overcomes being an ex
Convict and he gets a real job on his first day
out of prison, yet these guys have a problem with it.
They’d also complain if he were on welfare or collection
Food stamps or dealing drugs. Nothing satifies such
men when blackie is more successful than whitey.
Waiting for the 6:05.
The Lord, Abott that is, speaks on taboos and clearly unpolitically correct topics. You are to be commended. I don’t necessarily always agree with what you say but I do commend you. Not since George has anyone been so forthright. Larry take note.
Clearly race is a defining decider on where people fall on the Vick signing. Much like age and stature indicate where people will fall on universal state run healthcare.
John Fisher you are clearly a Democrat and a liberal thinker, not that there is anything wrong with that. You want the world to be a better place and be able to say you had a hand in that. This is the point that you are missing. We, the Democrats, know that the only way we get a bill to pass is if it includes choice between private and government run healthcare. Who could argue with that, right? Here is the reality of the situation. Businesses large and small don’t want to pay for their employees healthcare. Too expensive. Too much of a burden. They do it now to attract good employees. Once the government offers a comparable plan, employees will pull the plug on healthcare quicker than Barry will pull the IV on Mrs Robinson. By default and overtime, the government will become the only source of healthcare except for the ultra rich. They will be running the entire show. They will screw the pooch. Instead of paying $40-500 a month for employer’s healthcare plan, we will be paying $1000-2000 a year in additional taxes to fund the government run plan. The incentive for our best brightest students to go to medical school and make $200-500K per year goes away with government administered rates and fees for doctors and services. We will get mediocre doctors happy making $100K per year. We will be limited in treatments and screenings. We will watch our older loved ones die at an earlier age as treatments will be denied. This is the reality without lies John Fisher. Deal with it. We are working around the clock with Madison Ave advertising firms trying to put the right spin on this. The problem is that most thinking Americans see the eventual reality and are not happy with it. It is something out of George Orwell. You may not be around long enough to see the transition and decline but know that it will happen. Our only hope is to nip it in the bud.
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I believe in second chances, Mr. Kane. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
Plus, like McNabb, this guy is only where he is because of his race.
It’s people like lord abbot that keep this country tied up in knots when it comes to race relations. Race baiters like himself enjoy provoking people to lash out against one another. It gives them a sense of power which helps them compensate for their unusually small penis.
Look at lord abbot’s screen name. It just screams out I’m a loser and inadequate. Why can’t he just use the name George like he used to. Then we can all sit back when he tries to provoke racial hatred and antisemitism and say oh that’s just idiot George being George.
I don’t want you to represent me either Arlen.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/us_health_care_protests/2009/08/12/246800.html
Or you Nancy.
http://www.wesh.com/politics/20373458/detail.html
Larry take a stand, dude. You can’t continue to throw out platitudes and banalities. Grow a pair.
Sterling Cooper has been retained by Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to build a campaign for the President’s healthcare plan. God knows he needs us.
My name is Ron Mexico and I am the athlete formerly known as Michael Vick.
I belong to St Bernards Parrish in Colleysville. Please forgive me.
BTW, Lane now has an anchor job in LA.
Joe ‘n’ Barry, your fear mongering will not work. We still have time and the TRUTH will out! In spite of the LIES, misrepresentations, exaggerations, story telling, and planted sound bites, the TRUTH WILL WIN and we will have a progressive health care plan before the end of the year!!=:)
I use to date Alycia in Atlanta. That was before she met Larry Mendte. Larry is twice the man I am.
JF the truth won’t win out but the overwhelming majority of Democrats in Congress may win out if the truth is not exposed by the puppet press. Look at the warm and fuzzy stories that I’ve received.
Yo dude where do you go for your haircuts =:)
I have 2 barbers, one in Philadelphia and one in AC. They’re both fight promoters!!=:) Have you some gloves you’d like to share??-:) ??=:)
Humph. I believe in second chances, Mr. Kane. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
This ain’t Donte Stallworth. Accidentally killing a person while under the influence of alcohol is a terrible thing. However, it is night and day different from intentionally and inflicting pain on a living creature for one’s amusement. Vick electrocuted, hanged, and drowned dogs with his bare hands for shits and giggles. That makes him a monster. Stallworth is an accidental killer, not a calculating one. (In any event, Stallworth also should be drummed out of the NFL for what he did.) Some might even call Vick a sociopath for his failure to demonstrate any empathy for the animals he brutally killed, animals that no doubt shrank from the pain and screamed out in agony when he inflicted it upon them. Don’t forget that Jeffrey Dahmer started by killing animals. There is something fundamentally wrong with Vick, and serving a dozen months or so in prison and temporarily losing a life of excessive privilege doesn’t change that or the horror of what he did.
I agree that he’s entitled to reenter society after paying a punitive debt. However, the reason I object to what the Eagles have done in choosing to reward him with millions of dollars is that I don’t believe being entitled to reenter society is commensurate with being rewarded with a paycheck in excess of what about 99.5% of Americans make in a year. He shouldn’t be permitted to return to a life of privilege with all of the Oxycontin and rent boys. I think the NFL and the Eagles are pretty despicable for countenancing this result.
Great blog post Lar. I believe in second chances. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
This ain’t Donte Stallworth. Accidentally killing a person while under the influence of alcohol is a terrible thing. However, it is night and day different from intentionally and inflicting pain on a living creature for one’s amusement. Vick electrocuted, hanged, and drowned dogs with his bare hands for shits and giggles. That makes him a monster. Stallworth is an accidental killer, not a calculating one. (In any event, Stallworth also should be drummed out of the NFL for what he did.) Some might even call Vick a sociopath for his failure to demonstrate any empathy for the animals he brutally killed, animals that no doubt shrank from the pain and screamed out in agony when he inflicted it upon them. Don’t forget that Jeffrey Dahmer started by killing animals. There is something fundamentally wrong with Vick, and serving a dozen months or so in prison and temporarily losing a life of excessive privilege doesn’t change that or the horror of what he did.
I agree that he’s entitled to reenter society after paying a punitive debt. However, the reason I object to what the Eagles have done in choosing to reward him with millions of dollars is that I don’t believe being entitled to reenter society is commensurate with being rewarded with a paycheck in excess of what about 99.5% of Americans make in a year. He shouldn’t be permitted to return to a life of privilege with all of the flute jazz. I think the NFL and the Eagles are pretty despicable for countenancing this result.
I watched the movie The Express last night. It took place in the late 50′s early 60′s and was based on the true story of Ernie Davis the first black to win the Heisman trophy. The movie tried to convey how bad racial discrimination was back then especially in the South. I got the message but I also realize that it’s fifty years later and teams like the Texas Longhorns and West Virginia are loaded with black players. If there is one place where everyone is judged on their merits it’s football. All of that being said, I am still appalled by the hiring of Vick by the Eagles. What shakes out in the end of this whole episode is greed. Greedy agents, greedy owners, and a greedy football commissioner.
Who was it? Amongst the “greedy agents, “greedy owners” and a “greedy football commissioner”, who were the Democrats and who were the Republicans. And the subject – what are his politics??
An inquiring mind would like to know!!=:)
Don Hewitt died today and I am very distraught. it feels like my number could br up this year, so you yahood need to listen up, my five minutes at the end of 6o minutes is almost over.
Michaeel Vick seems like a nice young man, why are all of you Phildelpians such haters? He would have been welcomed with open arms to any enlightened city. You are a bunch of bitter losers who even hate yourselves when you have a winning team. It’s time to come together and stop being such a third class city of low life haters. Can you do that for me before I die? I doubt it, but just try for me, would that be so hard?
It was good to see Don Hewitt today, he joined me here in hell for the life long sin of news bias. Yes, we are getting our well deserved punishment for spinning our liberal agenda into the news, if you think its hot in Phildelphia you have no idea. Andy, you will be joining us soon, but don’t worry there is a special place here for Dan Rather and its much worse than normal hell. Thank God you, me and Hewitt won’t have to be with him!
Taking the form of a saint, Beelzebub has entered the forum!!! Of course, He/She takes many forms before Larry but Larryites are wise enough to recognize His/Her Presence!!-:)
Who the heck is Beelzebub?
As much as I don’t like Barney Frank, it was probably wise to draw a line in the sand with the woman holding the Obmama sign with Hitler mustache. These people on both sides lose all credbility with such nonesense, if that woman just spoke without the sign she seemed quite reasonable. That said, Barney is the one who fueled the rampant loan growth at FNMA that helped them blow up, now we are supposed to trust that his ideas on government run health care will be financially prudent. Give me a break as John Stossel says (he’s that young wipper snapper on 2020 Fisher). The good thing about this debate is that Obama will come to his senses and go with a co-op model to give an alternative to private systems. Most everyone has heard of Vanguard mutual fund right? That fund system is essentially a non profit, organized for the benefit of shareholders, they are quite successful because owners of those funds benefit directly from their cost effeciencies. A Vanguard like health system where small businesses and individuals could get reasonable cost insurnace and risk would be spread over millions of participants, this is a great bipartisan idea. As a memeber you will suddenly care how much an MRI costs and will find the cheapest one to keep your premiums down. It will have memember like me, John Fisher, and Jack Russell. We will watch Eagles games together in the lobby on big screen TVs and cheer Michael Vick ( a perk of membership) and all of the haters will look in the window at us eating popcorn and fist bumping every Vick touch down, its going to be great!
Tush tush tush. I believe in second chances. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
This ain’t Donte Stallworth. Accidentally killing a person while under the influence of alcohol is a terrible thing. However, it is night and day different from intentionally and inflicting pain on a living creature for one’s amusement. Vick electrocuted, hanged, and drowned dogs with his bare hands for shits and giggles. That makes him a monster. Stallworth is an accidental killer, not a calculating one. (In any event, Stallworth also should be drummed out of the NFL for what he did.) Some might even call Vick a sociopath for his failure to demonstrate any empathy for the animals he brutally killed, animals that no doubt shrank from the pain and screamed out in agony when he inflicted it upon them. Don’t forget that Jeffrey Dahmer started by killing animals. There is something fundamentally wrong with Vick, and serving a dozen months or so in prison and temporarily losing a life of excessive privilege doesn’t change that or the horror of what he did.
I agree that he’s entitled to reenter society after paying a punitive debt. However, the reason I object to what the Eagles have done in choosing to reward him with millions of dollars is that I don’t believe being entitled to reenter society is commensurate with being rewarded with a paycheck in excess of what about 99.5% of Americans make in a year. He shouldn’t be permitted to return to a life of privilege with all of the Oxycontin and sweet young Dominican lads. I think the NFL and the Eagles are pretty despicable for countenancing this result.
You may google it or find it in Wikopedia:
“Beelzebub is commonly described as placed high in Hell’s hierarchy; he was of the order of cherubim. According to the 16th century occultist Johann Weyer, Beelzebub led a successful revolt against Satan,[3] and is the chief lieutenant of Lucifer, the Emperor of Hell, and presides over the Order of the Fly. Similarly, the 17th century exorcist Sebastien Michaelis, in his Admirable History (1612), placed Beelzebub among the three most prominent fallen angels, the other two being Lucifer and Leviathan, whereas two 18th century works identified an unholy trinity consisting of Beelzebub, Lucifer, and Astaroth.”
Using that description, you may speculate on the trinity of posters who continually bear false withess (LIE) and who best fit the billing.
There is really little credibility to be given those who demonstrate against the existing healthcare proposals. Sadly, so many are influenced by the LIES being spread by the Republicans, who would laugh at the failure, and the special interest group LIARS who would gloat at its failure.
It’s Time to Set The Record Straight – Here’s THE TRUTH!!!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/settingtherecord
There are probably new ones being created by the minute!!-:)
Thanks for the edification, never thought I would
actually learn something on this site.
So Fisher to use your word in a sentence: Beezelbub
asserted herself into the healthcare with crackpock
San Francisco liberal agenda, only to be eclipsed
by her partner in crime, Lucifer, who with his lisping
MA accent lied to the American people in order to
force an ill conceived Great Society program on the
American people, one that is rotten to the core and the
Majority of Americans do not want.
Waiting for the 7:01.
45% of the country don’t trust the President on the healthcare plan. They don’t want the government to screw it up. It may have major flaws but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. This was Bill Clinton’s Waterloo (aside for the national embarrassment of lying, bad behavior and that nasty impeachment thingy). It may prove to be Barack Obama’s as well despite enough votes in Congress to pass easily. The American people will not forget this if they get yet another bad plan jammed down their throats and a big resulting increase in taxes. The President, Sebelius and Gibbs are lying, flip flopping and trying to create a truth fog to get this bill thorough. This President has not done one thing to fix one problem since he’s been in office. He has only dramatically increased the national debt. He is a joke and a failure in 8 months. How long before the Clintons smell blood and cut bait?
Biden/Rendell in 2012! It can only get better!
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John Fisher you don’t know the truth. You can believe what you want to believe but you don’t know the truth. You can’t handle the truth. How sanctimonious of you to pretend to know the truth. These are all politicians. Not one is any better or more honest than the next (present party excluded of course).
Go back to shuffleboard and your early bird specials. Enjoy life. Spend time with your grand kids. Don’t get caught up in this death spiraling political debate.
Vote for Biden/Rendell in 2012! It can only get better!
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Joe ‘n’ Abbott, ’cause you say it (using only speculation and innuendo), adding to the fear mongering of the right, has no basis in reality. ’cause you say it, doesn’t make it so. Address the LIES, if you can. Deliberate on the TRUTH for a change.
BTW, there IS improvement in the economy. It will take some time to get us out of the mess created by Republicans. Seems so strange that after having knowledge of the havoc, and diminution of this once greater nation, created based on LIES of the degenerate right, you continue to support them.
Think of ALL of our loved ones who have been maimed, or died, because the Bushites LIED. Use your head, too many are already dead because of failed policy. REPUBLICAN philosophy would dismantle Social Security and Medicare. REPUBLICANS HAVE been trying to destroy them from the gitgo. They’ve failed in the past and will continue to do so. Survival of the fittest (those who can afford it) is their goal, as it strives to control the masses. It ain’t gonna work!!! Added to their goal, to destroy ALL social programs, will become another of their challenges when the new healthcare program goes into effect in the not too distant future!!=:)
In spite of the LIES, and being TOLD what they believe, the masses will come to their senses and overcome the SHOUTING of the minority. The TRUTH (as it affects the majority) will, for a change, win out!!!-:)
We’re determined, when faced with the LIES to/about us, to tell the TRUTH about the LIARS!!!-:)
BTW – Here are some more FACTS:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090820/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_fact_check_health_poll
Sanctimonious. Naive. Clueless. But have a nice day.
18 months from now you’ll have a bumper sticker on your shitbox Prius that says “Don’t Blame Me I Voted For McCain”
Biden/Rendell in 2012! It can only get better!
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In your dreams. Joey!!=:)
btw, interested in recovery progress?? Soon, you’ll know EXACTLY how the funds arebeing spent:
http://www.recovery.gov/
John Fisher stop SHOUTING please. We hear you, we just choose to ignore you.
FACT is that the majority of Americans want less government, lower taxes and to be left alone. They want to go about their daily lives, collect their salary, watch TV and go on vacation. They don’t want to get involved in political debate. It is only when the spectre of a plan is so omnious, like this proposed healthcare plan, that they wake up and make their feelings known. Most won’t take the time to do any research. They believe what the media goons and network talking heads want you to believe. Occasionally the sleeping giant that is America is awaken with a resolve that overwhelming. That is what is happening now. The FACT is that most Americans are against this plan. Against the government running/controlling healthcare, against cutting off care to elderly, against lines at clinics, against every facit of this troubling plan. What don’t you get about it?
You and your Liberal operatives can try to spin the truth about this plan but it stinks. It’s like a fish mongerer trying to sell 5 day old mackerel. It wasn’t good when it was fresh. Now it really stinks.
Biden/Rendell in 2012! It can only get better!
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Trillions of dollars are being spent on bridge and road improvements. Necessary for safety but not stimulating the economy unless you are in construction business. Very little trickle down benefit.
Billions are being spent on unemployment, COBRA healthcare and mortgage foreclosure bailouts. Admirable but not stimulating the economy. Bailing out people for bad or irresponsible behavior. Particularly leaving way beyond their means.
Billions of dollars for pet programs of Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Frank and alike. Only serves to benfit those who have contributed to their campaign.
Billions of dollars in research like the sex life of a Tsetse Fly or the Global Warming scare.
Very little of this money is stimulating the economy. But we are bankrupting our future and that of our children with this reckless spending.
Biden/Rendell in 2012! It can’t get any worse!
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By the way, if you are looking to prove your points, don’t reference government links. How do you expect to get an unbiased opinion on government performance from the government? Do schools let students grade themselves?
Completely and utterly clueless.
Biden/Rendell in 2012! We beat Hill and Bill!
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Often imitated but never duplicated! You liberals make me sick. ElRushbo will not be deterred or detoured by your petty digs and jabs. I am a heavyweight champion among neophytes. I am smarter than the rest of you with half my brain tied behind my back. I am your superior.
John Fisher you sir are an interesting cat. Probably a tweener between WWII and the Korean War. Probably never served in the military. Probably have been living off a pension after 35 years at the salt mines and social security. God bless you sir. You are from the fringe of America’s greatest generation.
We all want a better America, except the socialist Dems led by Obama. They are selling their socialistic agenda as an inclusive and kinder, gentler America. Horse pucky as they would have said in your day sir. Let there be no mistake about their plans for leveling the playing field and bring the great down to the level of the mediocre while propping up the weak and disinterested to the same level. Ambitious plans even for socialists. Don’t buy their crap sir. Next thing they’ll be doing is trying to sell you a $600 digital TV convertor box.
Msg 127, Joe, it is YOU who are spinning. You can’t determine what the public wants, based on the screaming mimi’s of the right. Your claims that:
“The FACT is that most Americans are against this plan. Against the government running/controlling healthcare, against cutting off care to elderly, against lines at clinics, against every facit of this troubling plan. What don’t you get about it?”
is merely SPECULATION ‘n FEARMONGERING. YOU really don’t KNOW that your statement is factual. If Americans were against control of healthcare, we already have aspects about which I hear no complaints (with the exception of Republican legislators who are forever out to destroy Medicare & Social Security). I sometimes get the impression that the goal of these ghouls is to destroy our economy, deliberately, in order better to control the masses and drive them into a state of poverty which would require forms of slave labor and more power to the few.
What is this talk about “clinics”??? Where do you find any reference to this??? There is no reason to believe you won’t be able to choose your own doctor. What has that to do with “clinic”???
John Fisher you are ready for your nap. Take a 20 minute power nap and come back refreshed. Don’t you have an appointment at the clinic this morning for a procedure? We want to hear all about it when you return.
MSG 128, Joe, the “stimulus” is working. That it’s goal is not accomplished overnight (on a grand scale) employment is going up, housing costs are stabilizing, and we’re movin’ on up, my friend.
Fortunately, the people got rid of those (at the top) who held the political reigns. There are still too many degenerates who have no regard for those whom they govern. Too many moles are left over from the past. The current administration will bring so much improvement that getting rid of this type will become easier as time goes by!!=:)
The link I provided, earlier, will help you keep track of how the stimulus money is being spent:
http://www.recovery.gov/
John Fisher watch your tone and demeanor. There is a protocol for dealing with the first VP from Scranton. After all we’re both from the great melting pot of misfits known as Democrats.
Facts would indicate that unemployment is in fact still going up and will continue to do so. Only the way it is being reported has changed. There will be another significant downturn in early 2010. The housing market is yet to stablize. 365K foreclosures in July alone. And long term the monumental deficit being created will a tax burden for Americans for the next 20 years. What’s not to like?
Biden/Rendell in 2012! Dumb and dumber.
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Joe ‘n’ Rush, if you have a problem with the links, or what they represent, respond with a challenge to them. If the TRUTH is not the gospel, get back to me. If you can prove your point, we’ll give you a few claps!!!-:) If you can’t dispute the TRUTH, fall in line and start to spread it!!!=:)
Rush, I served, HONORABLY, in the military, in time of war, in an effort to protect your fat ass!!! Have YOU served in the military???
The most gullible are those who are klans (clans) of BELIEVERS (cultists) who are led to rely on “faith”. Enforcing such belief are those who move clients who must stand in lines for their daily bread while chanting
“CHEEZUS”!!!! So sad that those who BELIEVE can’t deal with reality or TRUTH, no matter how compelling!!
Senior moment, John?
John Fisher: 123,124, 126, 135 +:)
John Fosjer: 131, 133 -:)
MSG 134, more “speculation”, Joe. The decline has been diminished and improvements are observable (at least in the areas I survey). There is new construction, and renovation going on all around me. It had stopped when there was such a tremendous decline under the Republicans. The market is movin’ on up Joey. There are up days ‘n’ down days BUT, overall, there has been quite an improvement since Obama, and the Democrats, took over!!=:)
Life sure is improving in this once greater nation. So sad that, as a result of the Republican mal-administrations, so many people are still out of work. Of course, as various forms of stimulus are utilized, there will be a much greater improvement. In the long run, IMVHO, the investments will pay off and we will recover from the debt incurred by Republicans. It takes Democrats to get the economy shaped up.
We did it before ‘n’ we can do it again!!! YES WE CAN!!! YES WE CAN!!=:) ah, ha=ha=ha!!! ah, ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!=:)
John Fisher (Fosjer) it appears that you may have been puppeted sir. Incredible that there could be two people as misguided as your recent posts would indicate.
Fisher, I hope you are not condeming or mocking Christianity in post #135.
I don’t think I want you to give me the clap John. I may be wrong but I can’t imagine why I would. Am I missing something?
‘If you can’t dispute the TRUTH, fall in line and start to spread it!!!=:)’ I am not a feel good zombie. I don’t think that real improvement can be made by clever phrases and teleprompter speeches. I don’t think the President has any idea about how to actually fix any of our problems. It’s all about hand waving and illusion. Create the illusion that everything is getting better and people will start to believe it. If you want to feel better, you can believe what you want. The only date that is important to me is 01/28/2012 – the End of an Error!
John Fisher if you did in fact serve honorably in a time of war I salute you sir.
I sir am on the frontline and in the trenches in a battle against misinformation in the most important war of our time. The battle to maintain a democracy in America and prevent a takeover by the communist socialists attempting to steal this country away from us one piece of legislature at a time. We are finding the good battle sir. We must stop these commie pinkos at healthcare takeover. We will persevere. We will overcome. We are on the side of good, truth, justice and the American way. As All American as Mom, apple pie and Chevrolet. Stuff that in your Prius and smoke it.
Did someone mention my name? Did I mention I’m the first VP from Scranton? Can I go back to my nap now? I left specific instructions not to be interrupted.
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I’m pimping out a stretch limo Prius for my official car. I’m having a special presidential seal installed on this heliocopter.
http://www.oneinchpunch.net/2008/07/07/worlds-smallest-one-man-helicopter/
See I can do links too!
Yo I thought this blog was about me.
What up wid all this health talk?
I’m suspicious about this Fisher character, it might be a well develeped puppet of Leo’s. Beware before you take any more bait puppeteers. Interesting to that he said he served “Honerably at time of war”. First, a real veteran would say which war, and would not need to qualify their service as honerable, and instead would have said which branch and perhaps rank. Trust the Capatain on this one, Fisher is likely not a veteran.
I’m not a veteran but I did serve time. Does that count?
Captain Crunch you sir may be onto something. John Fisher alias JOHN FISHER and John Fosjer appears to be an Obamba propaganda operative. He is too upbeat to be a Leo alias oeL and too many others to list. He is like Tokyo Rose. Trying to change the hearts and minds of good Americans engaged in a battle to save this country from a communist socialist takeover. Is Obama the Manchurian Candiate?
Abbott, to which Christianity are you referring??? There are so many forms, it’s difficult to keep up.
Crunch, you appear to be a birther!!! In which branch of service did you serve this once greater nation??? What years? What was your rank???
Excuse the poor edit of my name. I type by touch and have a new keyboard which causes a slip of the finger (not the tongue)!!=:)
Rush, you poor dimented, deviate, soul!! Compared to you, the MANY Tokyo Roses were saints. But, certainly, it is you, and the likes of Dobbs and ALL of the nuts on Fox who better represent what Rose was all about. Go back to sniffing your glue or whichever else is your drug du jour!!
I’m not out to change minds, Rush!!!=:) People have control over there own minds. I just try to supply the tools of TRUTH which, hopefully, they will use to their own greater advantage. While you just offer a finger up, I offer a hand up, my friend!!!=:) You, sir, are a total disgrace but not beyond redemption, I hope!!! Wake up to the folly of your ways and take on the causes which will liberate us from the tyranny you so vociferously now support!!
The TRUTH will set you free, Rush!! Stop fantasizing!!!-:) Walk towards the light!!!=:)
That is not light at the end of the tunnel sir that is a train. The runaway healthcare express to be exact. You may walk into the light but I’d prefer not to thank you.
Rush, this last post by Fisher confirms he is not an 80 year old man, and is likely Leo’s puppet. Don’t waste your hot air on him. I beleive there was a genuine Fisher who initally posted,but that person’s identity has been co-opted by the pony tail and sandals man.
Kitchen too hot for you, Crunch??? So you weren’t in the military!!! You didn’t come to the defense of this once greater nation when it needed your services. Now you sit in judgment, with contempt, for all that is noble and patriotic. That fig’res!!!-:)
CC clearly Leo never served. Likely fleed to Canada in the late 60′s. Maybe conscientious objector. Not sure they would have wanted the ponytailed crusader anymore than he wanted military life.
JF is a fiesty bugger regardless of age. That does not explain his lapses in good judgement and reason.
I too believe in second chances.In fact one time “Crown” directed me to roll in on the steel mills at Thai Nguyen & then,oh never mind,this isn’t about me.This is about how many variations of Rush Limbaugh we can include & how many variations of Leo’s original post we can include.Do we get together again during the mid term elections or in 2012 ?
JF, I do not serve in the American miltary because I am not a citizen. I am a proud British citizen who has served Her Majesty in the British Royal Navy as a Captain.
CC any vestiges to the Revolutionary War?
How about bad experiences from England socialized medical plan?
Rush, you don’t know the half of it. Everything is a waiting list, hips, livers, you name it. Once you’re over 70, forget about getting anything done, they just have some cockney accented woman talk to you about paliative care, basically death counseling. In your country it will be a woman with a thick working class accent reading from a script in broken English about accepting less and sacrificing for the younger people who need it more. I can’t wait until they have that discussion with Fisher. He’ll be ranting about his veteran status (although he’s not really a veteran), but I doubt the Obamaites will even care what he is or what he did in life, they will see dollar signs from his impending and fast death. By the way, 80 year olds and older have already sucked out all they paid into social security with interest, so they are all basically welfare cases and will be treated as such, hopefully he has some money put away. There will be two tiered medicare, you get the full monte until about 78, then you step down to “medicare minus plan”, which will have a much lower standard of care and expense since those lives are far too costly versus a young able bodied immigrant who can work and stay off the dole if the government keeps him alive.
RL – PITA, that you are, that’s a good question!!=:) CC may be a Blairite agent, sent to influence US patriots against our best interests. Here, all this time. I thought he was in your toolbox!! Have the Blairites and Bushites severed ties???
Larry Dearest, two industry giants have died recently and no blog opits? First Robert Novak and now Don Hewitt. Are you slipping Lar? Are you no longer the opit writer to the stars and media moguls?
CC, your imagination is working overtime. The only fear Americans have to fear is fear itself!!!
This garbage about waiting lists makes no sense. We already have waiting lists, rationing, and (often) inadeqate, or unavailable care. The liklihood is that waiting times will be shorter and better care will be available under the plan proposed. If you don’t like the system, no one will force you into it. You may keep your current plan, or any other of your choice. YOU, if you aren’t an ilegal alien will have the same choices as do citizens of this once greater nation. What’s your problem that you resent the choices of others???
BTW, I have a number of clients (heftily insured)who have been waiting, for years, hoping to get their heart or lung transplant. Perhaps, more donors will come forward, now that we have more compassionate leadership.
I believe in second chances. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
This ain’t Donte Stallworth. Accidentally killing a person while under the influence of alcohol is a terrible thing. However, it is night and day different from intentionally and inflicting pain on a living creature for one’s amusement. Vick electrocuted, hanged, and drowned dogs with his bare hands for shits and giggles. That makes him a monster. Stallworth is an accidental killer, not a calculating one. (In any event, Stallworth also should be drummed out of the NFL for what he did.) Some might even call Vick a sociopath for his failure to demonstrate any empathy for the animals he brutally killed, animals that no doubt shrank from the pain and screamed out in agony when he inflicted it upon them. Don’t forget that Jeffrey Dahmer started by killing animals. There is something fundamentally wrong with Vick, and serving a dozen months or so in prison and temporarily losing a life of excessive privilege doesn’t change that or the horror of what he did.
I agree that he’s entitled to reenter society after paying a punitive debt. However, the reason I object to what the Eagles have done in choosing to reward him with millions of dollars is that I don’t believe being entitled to reenter society is commensurate with being rewarded with a paycheck in excess of what about 99.5% of Americans make in a year. He shouldn’t be permitted to return to a life of privilege with all of the Oxycontin and sweet young Dominican lads and Viagra. I think the NFL and the Eagles are pretty despicable for countenancing this result.
I too believe in second chances.In fact one time “Crown” directed me to roll in on the steel mills at Thai Nguyen & then,oh never mind,this isn’t about me.This is about how many variations of Shush Limbaugh we can include & how many variations of Leo’s original post we can include.Do we get together again during the mid term elections or in 2012 ?
FLY EAGLES FLY ON THE ROAD TO VICK-TORY!
That is not light at the end of the tunnel sir that is a gerbil in duct tape. The runaway hamster express to be exact. You may walk into the light but I’d prefer not to thank you. I enter with my knockwurst sausage.
I sir am on the frontline and in misinformation in the most important war of our time. The battle to maintain a plutocracy in America and prevent a takeover by dumbasses we control. We are finding the good battle sir. We must stop these commie pinkos at healthcare takeover. We will persevere. We will overcome. We are on the side of good, truth, justice and the American way. As All American as Mom, apple pie and Chevrolet. Stuff that in your Prius and smoke it. Meanwhile I’ll have another viagra and my young friend Pepe.
Don Hewitt died and no response from Larry?
As they say Don has his DNA in everything from investigative news shows to the show Cheaters. For those of you unfamiliar with Cheaters, it is a show that outs boyfriends or hubbies that have a roving eye. The show’s host tracks down the philandering mate and catches him in the act. Usually this takes place in the back of an old Honda or Toyota. Just like 60 Minutes the dirty bastard is interviewed and the aggrieved and violated damsel in distress lashes out a her old man or significant other with finger nails a scratching.
You know, I wonder why Don Hewitt doesn’t get a credit on that show.
The Cash for Clunkers program has been end, the government has run through the $3 billion already. Except thet were not prepared and only $140 million has been reinmbursed. The computer system is crashing, there are not enough employee to process existing claims, dealers are scaming consumer to sign agreements to repay clunker cash is the governemnt doeant reimburse. So if anyone thinks the government will be able to successfully undertake a new government health program they should first evalaute the governments performance with clukers.
Yes, when you give away $3 billion dollars people will respond to get free money, just as they will with free or below market price health insurance, the rub comes when there is no accountability in programs administered by Obamacrats, who think giving away other peoples money will solve problems that are far more complex than a clunker program that they cannot even run properly.
I don’t blame Larry for not eulogizing Mr Novak. Barry or Bob or whatever his first name was didn’t cross over from cable. He was stuck on CNN and never got a chance to blossom on lets say…… the FOX network. Even though FOX is cable they get the ratings numbers and I’m sure once that they heard the conservative side of Mr. Novak he would have become a household name. Too bad that the only memories I have of the guy was reporting from some rooftop in Baghdad during the Desert Storm Invasion.
Ed, Robert Novak never reported from the rooftops of Irag, he wasn’t that kind of reporter -you idiot;). He did blow the cover on Valerie Plame. He also coverted to Catholicism from Judaism his 60s, He also struck a pedestrian with his Corvette a week before being diagnosed with cancer. However Novak never reported from Baghdad. Larry will not eulogize Novak for a number of reasons, but he worshipped Don Hewitt and will recount a delicious lunch they had at the Four Seasons in NY (back when they brought landline phones to your table)and another chance encounter he had with Hewitt in the cafeteria at CBS headquarters in NY. He will refer to him as the father of modern day TV news and a true Legend.
Larry, did Fumo invite you to his going away party in South Philly last night? I figured he would want you among the synchophants offering toasts- we know you guys were tight and you dont belive they make guys like Fumo anymore- Thank God they don’t!
The Cash for Clunkers program has been end, the government has run taken tens of thousands of polluting cars off the roads and helped the industry sell billions of dollars worth of cars. Except thet were not prepared and only $140 million has been reinmbursed. The computer system is crashing, there are not enough employee to process existing claims, dealers are scaming consumer to sign agreements to repay clunker cash is the governemnt doeant reimburse. So if anyone thinks the government will be able to successfully undertake a new government health program they should first evalaute the governments performance with clukers. Cause apples and oranges really are the sam thing.
Yes, when you give away $3 billion dollars for people’s pollution old gas hogs, people will respond and clean up the environment and reduce demand for gasoline. Everbudy benefit.
My serial killes kiddos.
Waiting for the 6:05. Another busy day in the Capital. Got to make people believe in the healthcare plan. It gets tougher and tougher to go in daily. Barack has a gag order on me. Afraid I’m going to say something stupid. Go figure.
Personally I’m looking forward to a big weekend in Delaware. Breakfast at Maggies tomorrow. Then over to Home Depot for a patio brick laying seminar. Then home with the family for the afternoon. Finally get to shot down to Rehoboth for boys night out at the Purple Parrott. Barack keeps telling me that there are homosexual hangouts in Rehoboth and I better not show up in The News Journal with a photo in a compromising position. What’s he talking about? Half his staff is fruits and nuts. Hell half the Democratic Party is. All I know is that Saturday night at the Parrott is 2 for 1 Kamikaze night. We’ll be pounding those fruity umbrella drinks until they run out of vodka and lime. I never know where I’ll wake up on Sunday morning. At least I never wake up with another women.
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To John Fisher. I gladly accepted this position as the first VP from Scranton because I thought Barack was different. I thought he really cared. I thought he had fresh new ideas. I thought he’d really make a positive difference and bring long needed change.
Well take it from someone that sits in meetings with him all day. This ain’t the guy I married. It’s all about him. He’s petty. He has a master plan of socialism. He thinks anyone without an Ivy League advanced degree is stupid and doesn’t get it. He’s got this crazy vision for this country where everyone is equal. Steal from the rich and give the poor. The government knows everything we think and do. Anyone that does not like it should be sent to a gulag. He has this personal distain for me because he thinks I have a big mouth. He tells me that he only needed me to get elected the first time and that I am not part of the ticket moving forward. Like Bill Clinton he already has writers working on his memoires. Healthcare is the centerpiece of his first term. Making America part of one world will be left for the second term. He’s arrogant, testy and not the smiling person you see on TV. He tries to crush people who get in the way of his vision like bugs. He’s like a kid in the sun with a magnifying glass. He does care who or what gets burned for his amusement.
Train is here. Got to run.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCjg_k2cifE
http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Gregg+explains+pitfalls+of+a+public+option&articleId=e37f9509-fdbe-4c33-9af6-55e8c2e78673
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http://www.app.com/article/20090726/OPINION/907260328/Contradictions+unraveling+Obama+health+plan
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Let my people be!
Let my healthcare be!
Let our healthcare choices be free!
More government is bad!
Don’t let regulation be had!
I want the Doctor I had!
Don’t throw Grandma under the bus!
Leave healthcare choices to us!
When it come to healthcare who do you trust?
Biden/Rendell in 2012! Leave the driving to us!
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Health care plan is dead on arrival thanks
to the American patriots who woke up and spoke
out. Now if they would just wake up and correct
their children. Children need corporal
punishment.
I don’t blame Larry for Mr Novak. Bor Bob or whatever his first name was didn’t cross over from cable. He was stuck on CNN and never got a chance to blossom on lets say…… the FOX network. Too bad that the only memories I have of the guy was reporting from some rooftop in Baghdad during the Desert Storm Invasion and outing CIA agents for the punk ass dillhole traitors in the Bush Administration.
Joe, it appears that you have morphed into a new pseudo (John Fosjer) in a continuing EFFORT to propagandize/fantasize/terrorize. It won’t work, Joey!!!-:) You can fool some of the people some of the time!!! You can;t fool ALL of the people ALL of the time!!! Republican righties have a toolbox full of LIES. Most people (silent majority)know better than to consume them.
Common myths about health insurance reform
Reform will stop “rationing” – not increase it: It’s a myth that reform will mean a “government takeover” of health care or lead to “rationing.” To the contrary, reform will forbid many forms of rationing that are currently being used by insurance companies.
We can’t afford reform: It’s the status quo we can’t afford. It’s a myth that reform will bust the budget. To the contrary, the President has identified ways to pay for the vast majority of the up-front costs by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse within existing government health programs; ending big subsidies to insurance companies; and increasing efficiency with such steps as coordinating care and streamlining paperwork. In the long term, reform can help bring down costs that will otherwise lead to a fiscal crisis.
Reform would encourage “euthanasia”: It does not. It’s a malicious myth that reform would encourage or even require euthanasia for seniors. For seniors who want to consult with their family and physicians about end-of life decisions, reform will help to cover these voluntary, private consultations for those who want help with these personal and difficult family decisions.
Vets’ health care is safe and sound: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will affect veterans’ access to the care they get now. To the contrary, the President’s budget significantly expands coverage under the VA, extending care to 500,000 more veterans who were previously excluded. The VA Healthcare system will continue to be available for all eligible veterans.
Reform will benefit small business – not burden it: It’s a myth that health insurance reform will hurt small businesses. To the contrary, reform will ease the burdens on small businesses, provide tax credits to help them pay for employee coverage and help level the playing field with big firms who pay much less to cover their employees on average.
Your Medicare is safe, and stronger with reform: It’s myth that Health Insurance Reform would be financed by cutting Medicare benefits. To the contrary, reform will improve the long-term financial health of Medicare, ensure better coordination, eliminate waste and unnecessary subsidies to insurance companies, and help to close the Medicare “doughnut” hole to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors.
You can keep your own insurance: It’s myth that reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors. To the contrary, reform will expand your choices, not eliminate them.
Health care plan is going to be one party legislation thanks
to the American dumbfucks who heeded the sirens call of right wing elite plutocrats who dont care about them up and acted
out like petulant preschoolers. Now if they would just wake up and correct
their children that believe in a ghost in the clouds. Children need corporal
punishment. Spare the child and spoil the rod.
Lord healthcare would indeed by DOA if it were up for a national referendum vote. Clearly it would not receive a 60% majority vote from the masses (unless Acorn got involved of course).
Sadly my Dems have the votes in the Congress to push through even the vilest bill. Some compromise variation of healthcare will pass. The President will breath a huge sigh of relief. Liberals everywhere will rejoice. Lazy Americans everywhere will abuse their new found healthcare plan. We as taxpayers will not only pick up the bill for their visits but also for the incredible bureaucracy it will take to run it. Employers will stop offering healthcare to improve their bottomline. Evidentually everyone will be forced to use the government plan. The one world people will smile. It is just the beginning of their one world masterplan.
Biden/Rendell in 2012! It’s never too late!
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“You can fool some of the people some of the time!!! You can;t fool ALL of the people ALL of the time!!!”
It is no longer working for Barack either. He has been exposed as the fraud that he is. Healtcare will likely pass but it will be all down hill from there. 2010 elections will mark the beginning of the return to reality and American, not one world, values. 01/28/2012 – End of an Error!
Biden/Rendell in 2012! The joke is on you!
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Captain Crunch, you are hardly worth a response from me, but you must be as thick as a log. The whole point of my Novak story was that I didn’t know him at all, other than he was on CNN. You sir are either a blithering fool or just a common asshole. My vote is for the later based on what you write here…….
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/settingtherecord
Joe, I believe you’re mistaken!!=:) The plan is for Obama to serve for eight years. After that, Michelle is to serve another eight!!!=:)
Will Barack go down on his healthcare sword?
Will that spell the end for this failed regime?
Can we bring hope and prosperity back to America?
One can only hope.
Biden/Rendell in 2012! Come on, could we do any worse?
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Don’t drink the koolaid!
Don’t visit Johns-town.
Biden/Rendell in 2012! We may be cheeky but so what!
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Biden/Rendell in 2012! Bridging the gap of reality and elitism
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“A lot of people are tired around here, but I’m not sure they’re ready to lie down, stretch out and fall asleep.”
“To me death is not a fearful thing. It’s living that’s cursed.”
Johns-town, Guyana 1978
Ed, you sir are the ignorant slut of this blog. I know it, you know it, and the American people know it. Most writers here have forgotten more than you will ever know. BTW, its “latter” not “later”, please save your ignorance for your loved ones.
I believe in second chances. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
This ain’t Donte Stallworth. Accidentally killing a person while under the influence of alcohol is a terrible thing. However, it is night and day different from intentionally and inflicting pain on a living creature for one’s amusement. Vick electrocuted, hanged, and drowned dogs with his bare hands for shits and giggles. That makes him a monster. Stallworth is an accidental killer, not a calculating one. (In any event, Stallworth also should be drummed out of the NFL for what he did.) Some might even call Vick a sociopath for his failure to demonstrate any empathy for the animals he brutally killed, animals that no doubt shrank from the pain and screamed out in agony when he inflicted it upon them. Don’t forget that Jeffrey Dahmer started by killing animals. There is something fundamentally wrong with Vick, and serving a dozen months or so in prison and temporarily losing a life of excessive privilege doesn’t change that or the horror of what he did.
I agree that he’s entitled to reenter society after paying a punitive debt. However, the reason I object to what the Eagles have done in choosing to reward him with millions of dollars is that I don’t believe being entitled to reenter society is commensurate with being rewarded with a paycheck in excess of what about 99.5% of Americans make in a year. He shouldn’t be permitted to return to a life of privilege with all of the Oxycontin and sweet young Dominican lads and Viagra. I think the NFL and the Eagles are pretty despicable for countenancing this result.
August 21st, 2009 | 7:17 am
Health care plan is going to be one party legislation thanks
to the American dumbfucks who heeded the sirens call of right wing elite plutocrats who dont care about them up and acted
out like petulant preschoolers. Now if they would just wake up and correct
their children that believe in a ghost in the clouds. Children need corporal
punishment. Spare the child and spoil the rod.
The lemonade you are sipping seems to limit your ability to comprehend!! Here’s a comparison of U.S. vs systems in a few other countries. Notice the child death rates, costs, life expectancy, etc:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8201711.stm
“At this point, all that stands in the way of universal health care in America are the greed of the medical-industrial complex, the lies of the right-wing propaganda machine, and the gullibility of voters who believe those lies.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/opinion/17krugman.html
Dangerous Demographics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou5iaVSw_dE
John Fisher, my brother from another mother, have you considered the fact that the NYT and the rest of the media has been giving me a continuous lapdance since Iowa in 2008. Of course they are behind me and my plans you propagandist goon.
Besides, John, that is an NYT op ed piece and therefore opinion, not fact. Supporting your fraudlant claims with op ed pieces is like something that… I would do. Peace out.
Barry, your youtube presentation suggests we better start studying the Koran. If you can’t beat em, join em!
John Fisher I give you credit for your persistence and dedication though very misguided. You are either too stupid to see through this dog and pony show hereto refered to as healthcare reform or you are so hopeful for positive change that you are embracing this charlatan’s plan. In either case sir I pity you. You sir may be the first to lose your healthcare do to age. You may be refered to Dr Kevorkian.
As for ElRushbo I have 12 years before I get cut off. The powers at be may choose to euthanize me now to put them out of their misery.
I have joined them my brother. I have joined them. Which direction is Mecca? I must pray.
I believe in second chances. I have had a lot of them when I broke the law with drugs. But I’m white an it should not work like that for people I don’t like. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
This ain’t Donte Stallworth. Accidentally killing a person while under the influence of alcohol is a terrible thing. However, it is night and day different from intentionally and inflicting pain on a living creature for one’s amusement. Vick electrocuted, hanged, and drowned dogs with his bare hands for shits and giggles. That makes him a monster. Stallworth is an accidental killer, not a calculating one. (In any event, Stallworth also should be drummed out of the NFL for what he did.) Some might even call Vick a sociopath for his failure to demonstrate any empathy for the animals he brutally killed, animals that no doubt shrank from the pain and screamed out in agony when he inflicted it upon them. Don’t forget that Jeffrey Dahmer started by killing animals. There is something fundamentally wrong with Vick, and serving a dozen months or so in prison and temporarily losing a life of excessive privilege doesn’t change that or the horror of what he did.
I agree that he’s entitled to reenter society after paying a punitive debt. However, the reason I object to what the Eagles have done in choosing to reward him with millions of dollars is that I don’t believe being entitled to reenter society is commensurate with being rewarded with a paycheck in excess of what about 99.5% of Americans make in a year. He shouldn’t be permitted to return to a life of privilege with all of the healthcare insurance Oxycontin and sweet young Dominican lads and Viagra. I think the NFL and the Eagles are pretty despicable for countenancing this result.
Today is the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood and it has been a state ever since except for one day in 1961 when it was Kenya.
Why do you find the demographics disturbing??? Evolution will have its way!!!-:) In England, the #1 name (replacing John) is now Mohammed!! The royals almost married into the Fayed family!!! Don’t know when it might happen BUT the day may come when the cathedral and royal palaces are converted into mosques!!
If you are a human of a lighter shade, you are rapidly approaching the time when you will become the minority in this great country!!!
Do you have a problem with that???
John Fisher I yearn for you. You are persistent and dedicated against my misinformation. You are either too brignt to buy in to my dog and pony show hereto refered to as a radio program or you are so hopeful for positive change that you won’t embrace this Oxycodone addicted charlatan’s plan. In either case sir I pity you. You sir may be the first to lose your healthcare do to my demagoguery. I may be refered to Dr Dickhead.
As for ElFlushbo I have 12 years before my Viagra gets cut off for trips to the Dominican Republic and its sweaty young lithe boys. The powers at be may choose to euthanize me now to put them out of their misery.
I atend town halls and bring my guns with me. I cling to them. I’m Mr. Bitter.
I’ve got clunker cash!! The government has rewarded me for driving a gas guzzler, and puishes the repsonsible people who drove fuel effencient cars in the first place. I love unintened consequences and we are going to have a lot of them with govermnent health care, plus mountains of paper work. I can’t wait to figure out how to get more than my share at the expense of the old and infirm.
There are a lot of xenophobic people on this site. We have to get with the program and accept more brown and black people into our country. They have long straws and are sucking up our wealth. I respect that they are smart enough to come here and take our wealth, I would do the same if I were poor. Even in the worst recession in modern times there are great opportunities that fat and happy white people are too lazy or ignorant to take advantage of for themselves. Part of Queens and Brooklyn NY look like foreign countries, the food is delicious and the crime is low, whats not to like? Instead of complaining get out there with your straw and have a taste of someone elses milk shake, you lazy inglorious bastards!
People have started playing me in the death lottery in Las Vegas, there is a 10 to 1 payoff if I die before year end. I am going to stay alive to spite the odds. Also, I’m pretty liberal but in addition to medicare I’ve got great CBS private insurance, so it will be possible for me to live as a vegtible for many years. I’ve pre recorded a decades worth of commnentaries so dont worry, I’ll be on network TV long after Larry Kane has retired to obscurity.
People have started playing me in the death lottery in Las Vegas too,there is a 10 to 1 payoff if I die before year end.I am going to stay alive to spite the odds.Also,I’m pretty liberal but in addition to medicare I’ve got great CVS private insurance,so it will be possible for me to live as a vegetable for many years.I’ve pre recorded a decades worth worth of commentaries so don’t worry,I’ll be on network TV long after Larry Kane has retired to obscurity.
John Fisher I yearn for you. You are persistent and dedicated against my misinformation. You are either too brignt to buy in to my dog and pony show hereto refered to as a radio program or you are so hopeful for positive change that you won’t embrace this Oxycodone addicted charlatan’s plan. In either case sir I pity you. You sir may be the first to lose your healthcare do to my demagoguery. I may be refered to Dr Dickhead.
As for ElSlushbo I have 12 years before my Viagra gets cut off for trips to the Dominican Republic and its sweaty young lithe boys. The powers at be may choose to euthanize me now to put them out of their misery.
rush are you talking about yourself or the “little boys”???
I’ve got clunker cash!! The government has rewarded me for getting rid of a gas guzzler, and helps the repsonsible people who drove fuel effencient cars in the first place by reducing demand for oil and fuel and driving down prices. I love unintened consequences, like when my parents had me, and we are going to have a lot of them with govermnent health care, plus mountains of paper work. I can’t wait to figure out how to try to get more than my share at the expense of the old and infirm because I am a self-absorbd masterbating jackass.
The boys. They are in the pinched and poked misery caused by my cocktail sausage.
Now you know why I am so angry all the time. I got no goods in the old boxers. That makes me hate a lot of people. I turn to drugs to ease my lack of manhood.
My listeners turn to me for the same reason. THey always worry someone else has a bigger peenie than they’ve got and they are all bitter and envious especailly againt people of races they theink has the bigger peeenies.
People have started playing me in the death lottery in Las Vegas too,there is a 10 to 1 payoff if I die before the year end.I am going to stay alive to spite the odds.Also,I’m pretty liberal but in addition to medicare,I’ve got great WWF private insurance,so it will be possible to live as a vegetable for many years.I’ve pre recorded a decades worth of commentaries so don’t worry,I’ll be on network TV long after Larry Kane has retired to obscurity.
People have started playing me in the death lottery in Las Vegas too,there is a 10 to 1 payoff if I die before the year end.I am going to stay alive to spite the odds.Also,I’m pretty liberal but in addition to medicare,I’ve got great GLBTG private insurance,so it will be possible to live as a vegetable for many years.I’ve pre recorded a decades worth of commentaries so don’t worry,I’ll be on network TV long after Larry Kane has retired to obscurity.
If I only had better health care I would still be alive. Even though I made millions and pissed it all away on serial wives and hairbrained investments, even lsot my house, the goverment should stand ready to backstop me and make sure I have great cheap health isurance, paid for bu others.
Hey Ed, was that you taking my post and adding a tag line that descibes what you do most of the day, when your not passed out on the couch wishing you had a wad of clunker cash in your pocket? Why do you use such obscene language in your posts, calling people A-holes, is that how you use to talk to your mother?
Someone told me about this spot and that I might get a kick out of how stupid people really are when they can hide behind characters and use alias names to put into words their political and social views. From what I’ve read these posters are not only stupid their IQ verges on those that laugh when I put on a funny hat.
Look at me! I’ve got clunker cash!! The government has rewarded me for getting rid of a gas guzzler, and helps the repsonsible people who drove fuel effencient cars in the first place by reducing demand for oil and fuel and driving down prices. I love unintened consequences, like when my parents had me, and like when I got spoo all over my Kleenex box. I cant wait to try to get more than my share of self gratification at the expense of the old and infirm because I am a self-absorbd masterbating jackass.
Hey Crotch, why did your father do those things to you? Remember, its not an excuse for your current behavior, but it is an explaination.
Hey Crunch, why did your father do those things to you? Why didyou do those things with your mother? Remember, its not an excuse for your current behavior, but it is an explaination. Stop touching yourself.
Hey Brunch, they have social workers that will come to your sweltering row house and help you with your sexual disorder before you molest again.
Driving over to breakfast. Texting at the same time! Who said Joe Biden could not walk and chew gum at the same time? I’m becoming the second most technical VP. Al Gore would be the first. After all he invented the internet and discovered Global Warming. I aspire to his greatness.
Everytime this blogsite hits a new low I think it can’t go any lower. I am wrong again. To the poster cut and pasting blogs over and over again. One word: infantile. Not funny. Not creative. Not interesting. Just tedious and annoying. Clearly you have no life. Well school will be starting again in a couple weeks and you’ll have homework to do and have to be in bed by 8PM. Good luck in 5th Grade! See you next summer.
To JF defender of the ACLU and the lowest common denominator: give up the cheery and pleasant act. You know this Presidency is going down in flames in less than one year. You should have seen it coming. This guy is a fraud. People are starting to see through the charade. That cool guy that plays basketball at lunch was just a Madison Ave illusion to make you like this guy. In reality he’s cheeky, petty and angry just like his wife. He is setting out to teach the rest of us a lesson. Fortunately the great unwashed masses have woken up and are starting to speak. I get a kick out of notion anyone that speaks out against socialism is a right wing lunatic probably carrying a gun determined to kill the President. If you go to a healthcare rally with an anti-socialism poster you are anti-American. It may have been working for a short period of time but now that charade has been exposed as well. This presidency will implode faster than the Vet once it was detonated. We can only hope that too much legislative and fiscal damage will not be done before that happens.
Biden/Rendell in 2012! A cheesesteak in every mouth!
I don’t see why all you conservatives want the president to fail. He is such a wonderful person and wants to help everyone. What don’t you like about that?
Honest men speak the truth, Joey!!!-:) Republican right wingers, and other
degenerate cultists, are unable to support their claims so they design
campaigns based on lies. From Nixon on, the illusionsts have refined
their craft of deception. The result of these LIES has been the
diminution of individual liberty, the maiming, displacement and loss
of life of millions of innocent victms, a coup which gave us criminals
who governed us into bankruptcy morally and financially.
Fortunately, reason prevails with the Obama administration and the
recklessness of the Bushites is being remedied. Slowly, but surely,
the damage is being repaired. The economy is improving in spite of
the naysayers, who would love to see this country pllunged into even
more devastation, No matter what it takes, to tear down this once
greater nation, the wingers will do it so that they have a tool to
continue their ability to fool!! “The loyal opposition” has become a
myth. “Republican” & “obstructionist” have become synonymous
Honest men speak the truth, Joey!!!-:) Republican right wingers, and other degenerate cultists, are unable to support their claims so they design campaigns based on lies. From Nixon on, the illusionsts have refined their craft of deception. The result of these LIES has been the diminution of individual liberty, the maiming, displacement and loss of life of millions of innocent victims, a coup which gave us criminals who governed us into bankruptcy morally and financially.
Fortunately, reason prevails with the Obama administration and the recklessness of the Bushites is being remedied. Slowly, but surely, the damage is being repaired. The economy is improving in spite of the naysayers, who would love to see this country pllunged into even more devastation, No matter what it takes, to tear down this once greater nation, the wingers will do it so that they have a tool to continue their ability to fool!! “The loyal opposition” has become a myth. “Republican” & “obstructionist” have become synonymous
What is wrong with Larry Kane that he allows someone to spoil intelligent discourse with cutting and pasting the work of others, and allows them to twist it with perverted dialogue?
Larry sees nothing wrong with cutting and pasting the work of others I guess. I am going to have one of my iterns run his books through plagerism software to determine if his writing is his own. Will post you on August 30th at 7:55 on CBS
Hey Crunch, they have social workers that will come to your sweltering row house and help you with your sexual disorder before you molest again. Stop touching yourself.
Crunch is rubber and Lunch is glue, whatever Lunch says bounces off of Crunch and stick to Lunch.
http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm
Ted Kennedy – 1st degree manslaughter and too many counts of DUI to list
Bill Clinton – multiple counts of purgery under oath and cheating on wife in the Oval Office
ACORN – registering dead voters across America
John Edwards – cheating on dying wife
Chris Dodd and Kent Conrad bribed by Countrywide
Mark Foley – midnight pervert
Charles Rangel – tax fraud
Eliott Spitzer – cheating on wife
Just the tip of iceberg. Democrats can not be considered truthful, upstanding and honest.
I don’t think anyone in Republican Party has gotten away with murder.
What is the matter you you people? Larry has been kind enough to offer us a forum to debate issues of the day, yet most of you act like crude ungreatful children.
What was Obama thinking taking vacation in Martha’s Vineyard? Has he completely lost his political spider sense? At a time when he is increasingly seen as a smug know it all out of touch extreame do as I say government knows best liberal, he goes there! The Vineyard is summer Mecca for out of touch liberals like Larry Kane. He should be playing minature golf in Myrtle Beach in maddras slacks. Michelle should be wearing a pretty sun dress (no shorts ever again) and joking how she beat him at minature golf. If he is supposed to be in touch with middle and lower income Americans he should vacation as they do, and get in touch with them. He should also be hanging around with old blue haired white ladies reassuring them how much he misses his white grandmother and how he would never pull the plug on them, at least not until they get really old and their diapers smell and they dont recognize him or vote anymore.
They should go to South of the Border in SC. Buy cheesy gifts and fireworks. Return to Camp David and party like it’s 1999. No one will see their opulent lifestyle. No more family flights to England for fish and chip ‘take out’.
Why don’t they spend their vacation in the intercity rebuilding homes with Habitat for Humanity. Can you see Barry with a hammer? The girls schlepping nails. Michelle painting trim. What a great photo op.
Or is community service and helping others just for the rest of us riff raff?
Better chance of seeing Barry on the Food Network. Michelle on HGTV. The girls on ABC Family. Mrs Robinson on The Jeffersons.
Can we send them back to Chicago? Illinois? Somewhere in the Midwest?
Factman, get your “facts” straight!!! who was guilty of “murder”?? When brought ht to trial for their crimes against humanity, I doubt that the Bush/Cheney/Rice team will escape being convicted. Their LIES have resulted in the death, dismemberment, and displacement of millions of innocent victims.
Now, let’s see who the deviate, child molesting, wife cheating Republicans:
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
Disgusting REPUBLICAN PERVERTS who claim to have God on their side as they condemn others for engaging in acts which they themselves so perversly embrace.
Crunch is rubber and eats spoo, whatever cums out of someone runs down Crunch’s chin.
I really believe in second chances. I have had a lot of them when I broke the law with drugs. But I’m white an it should not work like that for people I don’t like. However, I don’t believe that a sociopath who has electrocuted dogs, hung them from trees, and drowned them with his bare hands deserves a second chance to make millions of dollars playing professional football on the national stage. Moreover, he’s a liar. Even after pleading out, he lied to a federal judge about his personal involvement in torturing and killing dogs. So he’s a perjurer, too. I know a lot of Americans who thought Bill Clinton didn’t deserve a second chance when he allegedly perjured himself. (And did you seriously compare what he did, which is the ethical equivalent of stuffing people into ovens in death camps in WWII, to Larry and Alycia and their petty squabble? That is beyond ridiculous.)
There’s toilets in the Linc need cleaning, Larry. There’s Vick’s second chance in Philadelphia. The Eagles, for better or worse, represent this city in the national media. Their act of hiring this sociopath is a stain on our city.
This ain’t Donte Stallworth. Accidentally killing a person while under the influence of alcohol is a terrible thing. However, it is night and day different from intentionally and inflicting pain on a living creature for one’s amusement. Vick electrocuted, hanged, and drowned dogs with his bare hands for shits and giggles. That makes him a monster. Stallworth is an accidental killer, not a calculating one. (In any event, Stallworth also should be drummed out of the NFL for what he did.) Some might even call Vick a sociopath for his failure to demonstrate any empathy for the animals he brutally killed, animals that no doubt shrank from the pain and screamed out in agony when he inflicted it upon them. Don’t forget that Jeffrey Dahmer started by killing animals. There is something fundamentally wrong with Vick, and serving a dozen months or so in prison and temporarily losing a life of excessive privilege doesn’t change that or the horror of what he did.
I agree that he’s entitled to reenter society after paying a punitive debt. However, the reason I object to what the Eagles have done in choosing to reward him with millions of dollars is that I don’t believe being entitled to reenter society is commensurate with being rewarded with a paycheck in excess of what about 99.5% of Americans make in a year. He shouldn’t be permitted to return to a life of privilege with all of the healthcare insurance Oxycontin and sweet young Dominican lads and Viagra. I think the NFL and the Eagles are pretty despicable for countenancing this result.
Did you notice that Timothy McVeigh (REPUBLICAN)is on the list??? I’d suggest we be more afraid of REPUBLICAN TERRORISTS in this country than we are of Al Quaeda!!!!
In case it got lost in the shuffle, here’s the list again:
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
Did you notice that Timothy McVeigh (REPUBLICAN)is on the list??? I’d suggest we be more afraid of REPUBLICAN TERRORISTS in this country than we are of Al Quaeda!!!!
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
Fisher, you are more liberal than me! Are you so blinded by facts to nor see the corruption and perversion of the left? The country gave Obama and the left a great chance to make things better, the mid term elections will be a referendum on their success. Ralax and enjoy, they control the executive and legislative branches now, so there will be no excuses by november of 2010, why are you so worried?
WHO? ME??? WORRY???-:) Never happen!!=:))
I’m quite confident in this administration, and its ability to overcome in face of the diminutions created by demented REPUBLICANS!! The RIGHT will not rise again – for a very, VERY, VERY long time!!-:) In fact, a third party might have a better chance of survival than do the hateful, terroristic, Republicans!!!=:)
ANNIE, git ur gun!!!
Wow Fisher, you have a few more screws lose than most of us thought, sounds like you drink a cup of crazy every day.
Some who write here are moderate and can see both sides of a given issue. Living in a world of balance and reason can be quite enjoyable, perhaps you should consider it.
You know what really bothers me. People who say a dogs mouths are cleaner than humans. Dogs tend to smell and lick each others rear ends, how does that give them clean mouths?
The NFL is coming out with a dog clothing line with Vicks name and number. Someone here said that Vick can do more good for dogs than bad. I think dressing up dogs in human clothing is the best way to teach people to treat them like humans. They deserve better free healthcare and should be allowed to have all of the rights and freedoms granted under the Civil Rights Act- its time for dogs to be treated pari passu with humans -no exceptions!
Dogs, Andy, are already being treated pari passu. Sarah Palin would be a fine example of that
11=:)
Voice of Reason, there are 247 responses in this thread. Would you PLEASE indicate the number you believe to be on the side of reason and which show anything other than partiality??? One would be enough. Don’t count yourself. I don’t recall any messages (positive or negative). When confronted by the opposition, I do my best to respond in a manner which I see fit.
The responses are offered in a tone which matches that of other contributors. There are MANY plans on the table. None of them are in stone. I merely try to address the LIES about proposals which do not exist and which are designed to influence weak minds.
I will respond to you, reasonably, if your presentation is reasonable. If you have a question, I’ll do my best to respond to it with reason. TRY ME!!=”)
Your admonition is well received, even though I find it without basis!!=)
You site timothy McVeigh as a Rupublican, not sure he was registered, but lets assume he was. Why don’t you also mention Bill Aires and the weather underground as an example of Democrarts who are terrorist. Or how about all radical Black Panthers who are Democrats, or Abbey Hoffman et al…How about the convicted murderer Ira Einhorn? If we take some of Einhorn’s views and compare it to what you write, Ira looks like a thoughtful balanced Democrat.
Give me a break Fisher, you are not trying to be fair, you are as bad or worse than the Sean Hannnities of the world who just repeat talking points and dont consider the other side fairly. As much as Combs was a wimp, I grew to respect him as a reasonable liberal because he could see the other side. You sir are no Alan Combs!
In the 1969 Chappaquiddick incident, the car Kennedy was driving ran off a bridge and plunged into water, resulting in the death of passenger Mary Jo Kopechne. Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and was given a suspended sentence; however, doubts about his account of the accident significantly damaged his chances of ever becoming President of the United States.
As Johnny Carson use to say Fact Man, “I did not know that!”
So was Mary Jo drunk in the back seat and maybe he didn’t know she was in there? Or do you think he knew and didn’t want others to know, so he let her drown like a Pit Bull on Michael Vicks farm, except Kennedy didn’t go to jail and Vick served 19 montns and lost all of his endorsements for killing some dogs. Is your point that the life of Pit Bulls is greater than that of a drunken white girl with an imoral Democrat? Help me out here Fact Man!
Fact man, you implied that Kennedy got away with murder!!! The accident may have impaired his chances of ever becoming president, but the implication (which you appear to present as fact) is unwarranted. It’s the same type of Swiftboatting contrivance which was designed to discredit others in spite of what is TRUE!!!
Fisher, you probably believe OJ Simpson didn’t kill Nicole and Ron Goldman. That was all just a bunch of white people swift boating a brother!
Voce Raison, I was responding to charges made by another poster. Why do you conclude that I should have been more inclusive in my response??? If asked a question, I’ll respond!!! Those whom you mention were not part of the conversation. I was merely doing a tit for tat!!!
If you would like to get into murderers, Bill Aires cannot be included in YOUR LIST!!! If I remember correctly, Ira was a Republican supporter and what you conjure up as a possibility, by comparison, has no validity. Abby may have been an activist, but he was not a murderer!!!
If you would like to discuss cases, getting away from generalities, I’m not running away!!! I would just hope that you have your FACTS straight!!=:) That you THINK I am unfair in my approach, I’d say “It’s ALL in your head” ‘n’ only you have control over that.
Grim Reaper, what you BELIEVE I’ll respect. I have no opinion regarding the Simpson case. I felt that better be left to the judge and jury. That you BELIEVE Simpson is a murderer is OK. I try not to get involved with the BELIEFS of others. Some still believe in the tooth fairy and I, certainly, would not want to interfere with the right of that body of believers to support their own cause. Where in the world would our children, and their children’s children, be without them???
Fisher, If you beleive Ira Einhorn was a Republican, you either have no idea who he is or you’re full of crap.
In any event, I am not going to waste another moment of my time with you. Perhaps the tooth fairy will pay you a visit tonight. Under Obama care the fairy will pay you a flat $1 per tooth, $.50 if filled, and $.25 if decayed and not treated. However you will need to put all dental receipts under your pillow with teeth offered to fairy and wait 6 months for reimbursemnet. You should be approved unless younger better cared for teeth have not been submitted in advance of your application for tooth fairy reimbursement. Oh, and if you have dentures, you are not eligible but will pay a surcharge to the tooth fairy to help with reimbursment of bonafide human teeth. Since it is assumed you have collected from the fairy for your natural teeth, this is just a simple way for you to give back to the young and to people from foreign countries without floride, or for those who lose teeth from neglect. The fairy can count on you Fisher, because you trust in Obamanomics!
I am having a very rainy weekend in the Vineyard waiting for the Obamas to come over to pay me homage. Michelle is having trouble with her hair becasue of the humidity, the dog nipped at one of the girls and the other kicked it, now both are in time out for abusing their pet, and an animal psychologist has been brought in to counsel the dog for trauma and neglect.
Barrack is distraught over the recent polls, he really needs a boost from people like me so he will soldier on to reform the country into a liberal utopia ,its going to be like woodstock everywhere, and thats a good thing, free food music and healthcare and all the drugs and alcohol penniless citizens can consume.
Voce de raison, I just can’t follow you and your fairies or fantasies!!!
I understand the politics of Einhorn and his liberal bent. That he didn’t practice what he preached doesn’t make him more of a hypocrite than any of those deviates I identified in an earlier post. I also understand that those who, at the time, supported him and defended him were Republicans. One such prominent person was Arlen Spector.
Now, Look to John Salvi and other murderers who look at semen and see life yet think it appropriate to murder those who suck it up before it becomes parasitical. If you want to get into it, it is my contention that we have to be more afraid of the terrorists produced by the winger Republican party than we have to fear al Quaida!!!
Gloria – NOTHING IS FREE except, perhaps, that which you share with your lovers. That, too, could become quite expensive, in the end, because of the Republican President who dignified divorce and made it so easy for one partner or t’other to get sizable settlements.
Al Quaida mass murdered over three thousand Americans, 12 of whom were my friends. Fisher, you need to pull your head of your ass. I could care less what you think or say, you sir are an imbecile.
It just dawned on me who those 3 guys are that wake up in my condo every Sunday morning after a bender at the Parrott. They are my Secret Service agents. Don’t I feel safer. Were they pounding Kamikazes last night too?
Well Lar your run with this Michael Vick topic should be about to end. 260+ posts may be a new record in futility and puppet posts. You must be so proud! We’ll expect a new blog in the morning. You know after you watch your CN8 show 2-3 times tonight. You can never see enough of yourself. Unless of course you are too busy.
And Lar let’s take a definitive stand on a topic and not just pussyfoot around a controversial subject.
I’ll be at Home Depot on Miller Road. Stop by and we’ll share a sausage. My friends from the Parrott stagger in around 10AM and we share a sausage in the parking lot. I love the smell of burned ground pig parts in the morning!
Biden/Rendell in 2012! So Larry will have something to write about!
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VOR I don’t think posts 258 and 259 are actually John Fisher, the blogger formerly know as JOHN FISHER. Those blogs are even too creepy for the liberal loonie that is John Fisher.
GS let me know when you’ve burned your bra. I really love your peaches. I want to shake your tree. Ohh-wee baby! In 1969 I did not have time for Woodstock or other such nonsense. I was 27, married, a lawyer and getting ready to run for County Council. It was before my personal tragedy and dating underage COEDs at UoD. Those were the days.
As I get closa to meeting the grim reapa, I would like to make my act of contrition. I was a murdera and coward that night in Chappaquidick. I was asked to drive young Mary Jo back to the ferry by my brotha, Bobby. I was already double digits into Chivas that evening. I probably shouldn’t have been driving. No, I should not have been driving. Problem was Bobby and the whole staff were hooking up for the evening. Mary Jo wanted no part of that. She wanted off the island and get back to Edgartown where she was staying.
As we pulled out of the compound in my big Oldsmobile, I was getting sleepy and having trouble staying awake so I rolled the window down to get some fresh air. Mary Jo was quiet. When we approached the bridge back to Marthas Vineyard, I eitha fell asleep or past out. I don’t rememba. Next thing I know the car is submerging into the cold watas off the byway. The cold watas woke me up and were filling up the ca quickly. I was able to get my door open enough to escape and swim to shore. When I was out safely catching my breath, it dawned on me that Mary Jo was still in the ca. I wasn’t quite sure what to do. I walked back to the compound soak and wet seeking counsel. By the time I got back, it was 30 minutes lata. Mary Jo was clearly dead. Nothing I should do. Family handlas were called in the handle the situation. I was told to get a set of dry clothes on and a bunch of coffee. They were spinning a story for me. It was going to be a long night. They were going to call the police in the morning.
I often wonda if I hadn’t been such a coward could we have saved Mary Jo’s life. You know, swim around to her side of the ca and save her. Not just leave her there in a sinking coffin.
It’s no wonda I’ve become the drunken bum that I have over the years. I’ve had to live with this for the good of the Kennedy name. So Bobby could get elected or me. 40 years ago I mad a tragic mistake. I was a murdera and a coward. Please forgive me now before I meet my maka.
Thank you and God bless.
A bevy of (DID) multiple personality disordered individuals appear to be present!!! Is it just one, I wonder, or many???
Voice of REASON, I’m sorry for your loss. It waa not my intent to minimize any aspect of that tragedy. We all have lost, in many ways, as a result of it!! I feel just as sorry for the thousands of unnecessary deaths (MASS MURDER exceeding the losses at that event) which were/are the result of LIES INITIATED BY DEMENTED REPUBLICANS!!!!
I continue to maintain that we have more to fear, in this country, than we do of al Quaida in another. I’d suggest we be more afraid of REPUBLICAN TERRORISTS in this country than we are of Al Quaeda!!!! Of course there are many who refer to al Quaida as al CIAda. I wonder why???
John Fisha you are obviously a heavy drinka. Please pour me anotha Chivas.
Think about how many lives I’ve ruined.
Mary Jo goes without saying. Turned Joan into a useless, depressed alcoholic. My son Patrick is a repeat DUI like his Dad. I have done more to disgrace the Kennedy name than my roaming brothas. I can leave this world soon enough.
Why is it that the good people of Massachusetts keep voting me back in despite my horrendous behavia? I guess it’s the same group of people that keep voting in John Kerry and Barney Frank. Enough said.
I may have lived another 4-5 years but Barry cut off my medical treatment. My family won’t pay for any more treatment either. I’m a broke bum as is my son Patrick. Say good night.
“I feel just as sorry for the thousands of unnecessary deaths (MASS MURDER exceeding the losses at that event) which were/are the result of LIES INITIATED BY DEMENTED REPUBLICANS!!!! ”
And what lies would those be John Fisher?
And where were your courageous Democratic congressmen when these alledged atrocities were occuring?
Factman, your last paragraph, in #267, is an indication that you are aware of the atrocities, advanced by the LIES of Republicans, to which I give reference. Thank you for agreeing on that point!!-:)
That Democrats (some of them) were duped by LIES, except for some Israeli MOLES, like Lieberman, who promoted much of this activity, is unfortunate. Demented Republicans have so entrenched the elements of government that all aspects of truth have been corrupted. Too many of these people remain in government and common sense, of anyone who understands it (although incomprehensible it has become in so many aspects), will work to remove these treasonous elements. Reshaping this government certainly will not be an easy task. I’m hopeful that those who are building on power will be able to remedy the damage done by REPUBLICANS over the past, too many, years!!!
The public, awakening to the devastation brought about by Republican administrations, finally rebelled and showed their support for Democrats in the last election. Hopefully, we have come to our senses and continue to work ’til every last rotten politician (including the moles) is voted out of office.
Thanks for your support!!!=:)
I don’t see anyone here supporting your ideas Fisher, so don’t know who you are thanking for support. Given your age I doubt you are smoking or dropping anything, so it must be the drinking of a special brand of socialist kool-aid. Perhaps you occasionally watch televison, I’m sure you got one of those govenment issued converter boxes. The media can no longer help report the truth, the American people have been awakened by healthcare more than any post WWII issue other than Vietnam and 9/11. The great thing about our system is reasonable people are coming together and speaking out. Obamacare has made the silent majority realize how good their healthcare is and they dont want people like you screwing around with it. The Plan is DOA and will never pass in any of the current forms. Obama was seduced by the sound of his own voice and thought he could talk over the average joe. Unfortualy there are a lot of GI Joes out there who have been fighting the wars and paying their taxes and drinking their mothers milk, and they will now decide what passes and what doesnt because they have become enganged
John Fisher the question addressed to you by Fact Man ‘was what lies you were refering to’. You did not respond. I assume you are throwing out the red herring ‘no weapons of mass destruction’. Though not proven, rest assured they were moved to Syria or another terrorist state prior to the US invasion. Don’t believe for a minute sir that they weren’t there just because we didn’t conveniently find them sitting in bunkers in Baghdad.
What other ‘LIES’ sir would you be refering to?
What ‘atrocities’ do you refer to?
You sir like to throw out rhetoric and accusations against the wall and hope that something sticks, or better yet no one questions you.
You are as counterproductive to real, positive change with your lies and inuendos as the extreme conservative talkshow hosts you seek to discredit.
Lose the happy face you dark hearted dweeb.
Fisher is a commie, and I should know!
I meant pinko octegenarian, he should be investigated for unamerican activities. A lier and a gentleman, don’t be fooled puppets, it’s time to unwind on this guy!
Ha, ah, ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. The TRUTH hurts, eh???-:) Rush, thank you for your continued support. Every time you open your mouth, you support my claims. Keep up the good comedy!!=:)
Putin, do you think I might be a “communist” for the FBI??? Better watch your step. Nonetheless, I thank you for recognizing, and helping to advance the cause of the compassionate people who now govern this once greater country! Your support, which helps to strengthen the Obamaites, the enlightened advocates of the democratic process, and true democratic principles, is greatly appreciated!!-:)
As for octogenarianism, I’m on your pseudonymous side in my hopes that you manage to get there. That’s why I so aggressively support a health plan which might keep you functioning (WELL) long after having achieved that level of longevity!!!_:)
REMEMBER, I’m on YOUR SIDE!!=:) GOOD LUCK!!-:) ‘N’ Thanks for your support!!=:)
I am Captain Crunch’s son, he told me I was just a bastard in a basket when he found be abandoned at a port and rasied me as his own. It was so hurtful, but made me a better man. My father and I stronly oppose the crackpot views of Mr John Fisher. We should encourage him to write more, because the more carried away he gets the more obvious the flaws in his ideas.
Thanks for the encouragement, Quisp!!! I’ll try to live up to the unexpected expectations of you and your generous benefactor!! If you have any contribution to make, it won’t go unrewarded. You at least may have the personal satisfaction of having developed advanced views which will continue to help the kind of support you’ve had from birth. You were abandoned once, we’ll do all in our power to help see that it doesn’t happen again!!!-:)
Speaking of Mcveigh, and rightist TERRORISTS, here’s why we should be so greatly concerned!!!
http://www.alternet.org/rights/142123/terror_from_the_right:_75_plots,_conspiracies_and_racist_rampages_since_oklahoma_city/?page=entire
Looks like Larry has finally attracted a left wing nut job worthy of this site. Fisher, you are truely a zelot of left wing ideas, and thats really what Larry wants here. Keep up the good work and try to associate yourself as closely with Larry Kane as possible, it can only help him in the twilight of his illustrious career!
Larry is capable of handling himself!!! I’m not inclined to judge his politics, or yours. I’m grateful for the opportunity to express mine!!!-:) We learn by spreading the gospel, whatever that is, when it invokes challenges. We become stagnant when we get the opportunity to teach/preach/listen to others and don’t use it!!! mnsvho
I must admit that I followed local news much more closely when Larry was with Channel 6. Locally, although I rarely go there, I still prefer Channel 6 but it was never quite the same once Larry & Jim O’brien were gone!!
You can not make your own points sir. Clearly I am not inclined to help you make them. So continue to babble your nonsense and LIES. Hopefully you are entertaining yourself. We are amused and actually you are making OUR points on the right. Thank you sir for being a dundering nincompoop!
Hey Fisher, Obama has a surprise for you! Don’t worry, it’s only the beginging of his attack on the elderly, he will not dissapoint you with healthcare cuts, he’s just getting started!!! -:)
WASHINGTON — Millions of older people face shrinking Social Security checks next year, the first time in a generation that payments would not rise. The trustees who oversee Social Security are projecting there won’t be a cost of living adjustment (COLA) for the next two years. That hasn’t happened since automatic increases were adopted in 1975.
By law, Social Security benefits cannot go down. Nevertheless, monthly payments would drop for millions of people in the Medicare prescription drug program because the premiums, which often are deducted from Social Security payments, are scheduled to go up slightly.
“I will promise you, they count on that COLA,” said Barbara Kennelly, who now heads the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare. “To some people, it might not be a big deal. But to seniors, especially with their health care costs, it is a big deal.”
Hewitt is here tonight telling us a really well developed story, its really hard for him, his first night to not watch 60 minutes- ever!
Don was telling me that he experienced anti-semitism from German Jews, who thought they were superior to Russian Jews (his mother was German and father Russian), kind of ironic given all that occured during his lifetime,that the worst descrimination he ever experienced was anti-semitism from within his own religion!
Watched the Don Hewit segment on 60 Minutes tonight. I turned it off in the first minute or two. His recipe for success…”Tell a story”. The people want to hear a story…… To me he made news a form of entertainment and produced stories for the shear ratings factor of the genre. Gone was the serious side of news. It became hello to gotcha interviews and spicy personal incounters with celebrities and poliltical wannabes. He may have changed the face of news as we get it today but was it worth it?
No Facenda it was not worth it. Hewitt is here in hell with me because we turned the news into telling liberal tales and spinning so much we often didnt realize it. If you watched the entire 60 minutes as we did from Hell, you would see Hewitt chastising Mike Wallace for subjectively reporting a story. He told Mike, “you are telling this like you are their defense attorney rather than a reporter”. Give CBS some credit for showing that, but they have no shame, their bias is so so well documented they probably find it amusing to show such candor about their liberal bias. Thank God they didnt ask Dan Rather to comment, but Barbara WAWA weighed in on Hewitt, she made a fortune off of the idea of tuning news into entertainement, so she was gushing, Everone knows I hated Barbara, hopefully see doesnt die, as she’ll definatly be coming to hell. but will be in the special section reserved for Dan Rather.
COLA stands for “Cost of Living Adjustment”. If the cost of living goes down, and Social Security payments remain stable, recipients are still ahead of the game. Having said that, until the figures are firm, speculation, fear mongering, and another attempt to spread malcontempt for the current administration is to be expected.
Passage of a single payer health plan FOR ALL would relieve concern over any increase in Part B premiums. The health care plans, to be remedied by law, including prescription drugs, will come as a blessing for most seniors in spite of the lack of COLA when it occurs. For seniors, under health care reform, I expect them to be in a win/win situation.
If we can’t pull out of the depression created by the REPUBLICANS, it will be truly devastating for everyone but especially for those who have not exxperienced the reality of what it means. Many are currently feeling the affects which could be much more severe had not the Democrats taken steps to allay total disarray. For many, the future appears to be quite bleak. It could be much worse hadn’t people come to their senses and given us more competent leaders, in the last election, who empathize with the masses.
Republicans don’t believe in Social Security. Given the power, they would eliminate it entirely. There is no rule that sez Social Security cannot be eliminated overnight!!! That’s less of a likelihood under Democrats than it would be under an all too powerful right wing Republican control. Lack of a COLA is far preferable to a total lack of Social Security.
John Fisher get with the program. We’re talking Don Hewitt not the state of health care. Although Don must have had the best health care on earth yet he died…….. Maybe he didn’t get the right treatment.
John, I knew ye well!!!-:) Sad that young whippersnnappers try to malign you without having the faintest knowledge of how great, and respected, a person you really were. Jealousy will get them nowhere111-:) I can’t contribute to the Hewitt bit since I knew little of him and never was a great fan of 60 Minutes!!-:)