Comments on: The Final Democratic Predictions For VP! And is Joe Back In VP Saddle? http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/ LarryKane.com Tue, 07 Sep 2010 01:55:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Formerly Jim http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9217 Formerly Jim Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:29:04 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9217 LB, the drain of U.S. manufacturing has been going on for 30 years. It's not a new phenominon. We have indeed priced ourselves out of jobs but, it's not as simple as Bush and unions. LB, the drain of U.S. manufacturing has been going on for 30 years. It’s not a new phenominon. We have indeed priced ourselves out of jobs but, it’s not as simple as Bush and unions.

]]> By: the other, other, other jim http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9216 the other, other, other jim Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:10:50 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9216 LB, you are sounding like a bitter old man. You, like JR (and doesn't that put you in good company) can blame Bush for everything if you want. That's your opinion. In this case it's not right, but you can believe whatever you want. The unions are partly to blame, FJ, because for 50 years they have been artificially driving up the labor rate in the US to justify their own existance. Witness auto makers, airlines, high tech manufacturing, etc. Competition came in from significantly lower labor markets and forced US based companies to manufacture off shore to compete. American laborers had grown accustom to a standard of living that could no longer be supported in the US market. Japan flooded the market with cars and tvs long before China, LB. Do you have Alzheimers? If we put higher tariffs, restrict trade by trying to balance trade deficit or some other trade regulation to bring back jobs to the US as Obamonimics proposes, you will further hurt the US economy as consumers are paying 3X for a tv or car or shoes or laptop computer. It will send the economy into a tailspin. Is that preferable to boycotting Walmart? Not in my book. The cheap labor boat has sailed in this country. We have given up that fight. We are now a country of innovation and intellectual property. We create and let others make. We are a service industry nation. We are in real jeopardy of losing our dominant position to China. Its a paradigm shift that's likely irreversible. If your concern is China, they too are seeing an increasing standard of living and eventually they will be subplanted as the low labor country. Vietnam, Eastern Europe and Caribbean Islands are already vying for that position. Blame Bush. I think not. Blame him for a needless war in Iraq. Blame him for strained relationships in the world. Don't be so naive to blame him for China and Walmart. Now you are starting to sound like an emptysuit... LB, you are sounding like a bitter old man. You, like JR (and doesn’t that put you in good company) can blame Bush for everything if you want. That’s your opinion. In this case it’s not right, but you can believe whatever you want.
The unions are partly to blame, FJ, because for 50 years they have been artificially driving up the labor rate in the US to justify their own existance. Witness auto makers, airlines, high tech manufacturing, etc. Competition came in from significantly lower labor markets and forced US based companies to manufacture off shore to compete. American laborers had grown accustom to a standard of living that could no longer be supported in the US market. Japan flooded the market with cars and tvs long before China, LB. Do you have Alzheimers?
If we put higher tariffs, restrict trade by trying to balance trade deficit or some other trade regulation to bring back jobs to the US as Obamonimics proposes, you will further hurt the US economy as consumers are paying 3X for a tv or car or shoes or laptop computer. It will send the economy into a tailspin. Is that preferable to boycotting Walmart? Not in my book.
The cheap labor boat has sailed in this country. We have given up that fight. We are now a country of innovation and intellectual property. We create and let others make. We are a service industry nation. We are in real jeopardy of losing our dominant position to China. Its a paradigm shift that’s likely irreversible. If your concern is China, they too are seeing an increasing standard of living and eventually they will be subplanted as the low labor country. Vietnam, Eastern Europe and Caribbean Islands are already vying for that position.
Blame Bush. I think not. Blame him for a needless war in Iraq. Blame him for strained relationships in the world. Don’t be so naive to blame him for China and Walmart. Now you are starting to sound like an emptysuit…

]]> By: Leo Bloom http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9210 Leo Bloom Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:17:08 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9210 FJ, right. Blame Bush and people who buy cheap crap at Mao*Mart, who voted him two terms. Like I said. Borrowing money from China to pay for Iraq, etc., and the increased spending under the Republican Congress of 2001-2006, essentially put money into the pockets of the rich (e.g., Halliburton and KBR shareholders) at the expense of the rest of us. Scandalous. Ed, that's a whacked definition of success. If you don't know how many homes you have, you're 1) ignorant or 2) suffering from Alzheimers. FJ, right. Blame Bush and people who buy cheap crap at Mao*Mart, who voted him two terms. Like I said. Borrowing money from China to pay for Iraq, etc., and the increased spending under the Republican Congress of 2001-2006, essentially put money into the pockets of the rich (e.g., Halliburton and KBR shareholders) at the expense of the rest of us. Scandalous.

Ed, that’s a whacked definition of success. If you don’t know how many homes you have, you’re 1) ignorant or 2) suffering from Alzheimers.

]]> By: Formerly Jim http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9209 Formerly Jim Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:18:27 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9209 Neither Bush nor unions take all the blame for manufacturing leaving the U.S. No one can compete with $.90/day labor. In the last two months I've seen NAFTA in operation in Mexico. In many areas it has lead to a new middle class with competative wage scales. In a few years, Mexico too, will fall to China or Sri Lanka or wherever. If we want to change that, we will all have to make the sacrifice and pay more for what we want-made here. Neither Bush nor unions take all the blame for manufacturing leaving the U.S. No one can compete with $.90/day labor. In the last two months I’ve seen NAFTA in operation in Mexico. In many areas it has lead to a new middle class with competative wage scales. In a few years, Mexico too, will fall to China or Sri Lanka or wherever. If we want to change that, we will all have to make the sacrifice and pay more for what we want-made here.

]]> By: Ed http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9208 Ed Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:14:33 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9208 Leo , not everyone is as quick as you. Some of us try to answer a question honestly. So his family has quite a few holdings, what is the big deal? He has probably not even seen half the places he owns. It's guys like you who try to imply how out of touch one could be if they don't even know what their holdings are. The real definition of success is when you don't know how much you own. Leo , not everyone is as quick as you. Some of us try to answer a question honestly. So his family has quite a few holdings, what is the big deal? He has probably not even seen half the places he owns. It’s guys like you who try to imply how out of touch one could be if they don’t even know what their holdings are. The real definition of success is when you don’t know how much you own.

]]> By: the other, other, other jim http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9207 the other, other, other jim Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:43:34 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9207 Don't blame Bush for manufacturing moving out of the US, blame the unions. Short of larger tariffs on imports or trade limitations on countries with low hourly wages, how do you expect Bush or the Democratic Congress to fix this? It's economics, dude. If the go to higher tariffs, trade restrictions and/or other measures, who is going to foot the bill? We are. Don’t blame Bush for manufacturing moving out of the US, blame the unions.
Short of larger tariffs on imports or trade limitations on countries with low hourly wages, how do you expect Bush or the Democratic Congress to fix this? It’s economics, dude. If the go to higher tariffs, trade restrictions and/or other measures, who is going to foot the bill? We are.

]]> By: Leo Bloom http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9206 Leo Bloom Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:27:05 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9206 OOOJ, 1. Our allies didn't want to invade Iraq, which had no ties to the terrorists. They were the prudent ones, and we Americans are saddled with the burden of the Bush family's vendetta against Saddam. 2. You forgot Poland. We do not have to fight terrorism alone. We do have allies; however, we might do better in persuading them to contribute additional forces if we had anything resembling a coherent approach to the issue. Instead we have to put toiletries into a ziploc bag when we fly (because ziploc bags prevent explosions!). Bush is foreign policy and domestic security disaster. 3. China owns you. Thank Dubya and the Wal Mart consumers who voted him two terms. OOOJ,

1. Our allies didn’t want to invade Iraq, which had no ties to the terrorists. They were the prudent ones, and we Americans are saddled with the burden of the Bush family’s vendetta against Saddam.

2. You forgot Poland. We do not have to fight terrorism alone. We do have allies; however, we might do better in persuading them to contribute additional forces if we had anything resembling a coherent approach to the issue. Instead we have to put toiletries into a ziploc bag when we fly (because ziploc bags prevent explosions!). Bush is foreign policy and domestic security disaster.

3. China owns you. Thank Dubya and the Wal Mart consumers who voted him two terms.

]]> By: George http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9205 George Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:26:53 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9205 The polls now show a dead heat, even though McCain has largely had a lackluster campaign. Once (if) he gets his act together and you account for the fact that about 5-10% of poll respondents are lying because they fear being classified as racist, McCain is probably up by roughly 5%. With Republican convention after Labor Day, and Obama giving his adress in a 75,000 person stadium, reinforcing the rock star empty suit sterotype that has gotton traction, I'd say we're going to have four more years of rich white guys who dont know how many houses they own! And as Martha says: that's a good thing! Plus- as an added bonus, a drugged up stepford wife with Husky Dog eyes as first lady- what a great country! The polls now show a dead heat, even though McCain has largely had a lackluster campaign. Once (if) he gets his act together and you account for the fact that about 5-10% of poll respondents are lying because they fear being classified as racist, McCain is probably up by roughly 5%.

With Republican convention after Labor Day, and Obama giving his adress in a 75,000 person stadium, reinforcing the rock star empty suit sterotype that has gotton traction, I’d say we’re going to have four more years of rich white guys who dont know how many houses they own! And as Martha says: that’s a good thing!

Plus- as an added bonus, a drugged up stepford wife with Husky Dog eyes as first lady- what a great country!

]]> By: the other, other, other jim http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9204 the other, other, other jim Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:15:56 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9204 John Kerry even looks confused. Swiftboat revelations were the best thing to ever happen in America as it prevented a Ketchup presidency based on flip-flops and replacing Bush. John Kerry even looks confused. Swiftboat revelations were the best thing to ever happen in America as it prevented a Ketchup presidency based on flip-flops and replacing Bush.

]]> By: the other, other, other jim http://www.larrykane.com/2008/08/19/the-final-democratic-predictions-for-vp-and-is-joe-back-in-vp-saddle/comment-page-1/#comment-9203 the other, other, other jim Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:10:46 +0000 http://www.larrykane.com/?p=590#comment-9203 Bush's trampling tactics and lack of consensus building prove 2 things. 1. Our so-called allies, whom we have repeatedly bailed out (literally and figuratively), don't have the stones to fight terrorists. 2. The US has made a stand, like it or not, and now we have to pay the price of unpopularity and fighting terrorism alone. Bush’s trampling tactics and lack of consensus building prove 2 things.
1. Our so-called allies, whom we have repeatedly bailed out (literally and figuratively), don’t have the stones to fight terrorists.
2. The US has made a stand, like it or not, and now we have to pay the price of unpopularity and fighting terrorism alone.

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