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		<title>By: jack russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey MR Ed,Hillary is a very viable candidate,seems she has a lot of people nervous.
 after the response you received from Joe from Iraq,i thought You would crawl under a rock,but your desire be on the stump and Talk A Lot and Say Nothing is a pretty good imitation of o&#039;bama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey MR Ed,Hillary is a very viable candidate,seems she has a lot of people nervous.<br />
 after the response you received from Joe from Iraq,i thought You would crawl under a rock,but your desire be on the stump and Talk A Lot and Say Nothing is a pretty good imitation of o&#8217;bama.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JR, life was so much better with you in hiding. The fact that Hillary has received a reprieve shouldn&#039;t activate any primal reflex that would allow you to crawl out from under that rock. As the black bear in winter takes to his den so should you remain silent in your lair. If Hillary does emerge in the spring as a viable candidate you may then come out and expose your undying 
allegiance to her. Til then why don&#039;t you just sit back and relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JR, life was so much better with you in hiding. The fact that Hillary has received a reprieve shouldn&#8217;t activate any primal reflex that would allow you to crawl out from under that rock. As the black bear in winter takes to his den so should you remain silent in your lair. If Hillary does emerge in the spring as a viable candidate you may then come out and expose your undying<br />
allegiance to her. Til then why don&#8217;t you just sit back and relax.</p>
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		<title>By: jack russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>jack russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey mike,so you are going to vote mickey mouse and goofy,is that what you are saying,who do you think is in 1600 penna. ave. right now,right mike.
 mike your words are mark for future history.
 now i am going to take myself out for a walk,thanks mike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey mike,so you are going to vote mickey mouse and goofy,is that what you are saying,who do you think is in 1600 penna. ave. right now,right mike.<br />
 mike your words are mark for future history.<br />
 now i am going to take myself out for a walk,thanks mike.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim P., Philadelphia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim P., Philadelphia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Predictions being what they are, are susceptable to being wrong. With the exception of Hilary&#039;s overall percentage, they weren&#039;t actually that far off. Barack actually nailed his number, it just wasn&#039;t enough to beat Hilary&#039;s. I have no problem with polling in advance of elections to predict their outcome.  The problem lies in that data being proffered for anything other than speculative commentary.  I enjoy political punditiary.  I&#039;m hooked on it. But I&#039;m hooked on it for what it is. Don&#039;t lose your perspective.  

All of that being said, one thing that is blatantly wrong and needs to stop is predicting winners before an entire vote count has been tabulated.  That isn&#039;t showmanship, that&#039;s disrespectful to the process.  Most specifically in elections that cross time-zones and actual election outcomes start being declared while polls are in fact still open.  I feel so strongly about it that, as opposed to over legislating as I am, it should be against the law. It is one thing to report elections results as tallies become available, it&#039;s another for pontifications such as: &quot;XYZ News now declares Candiate x the next whatever of somewhere&quot;. You&#039;re a journalistic body, it&#039;s the citizens job to tell you who the next elected official is, not yours to tell us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Predictions being what they are, are susceptable to being wrong. With the exception of Hilary&#8217;s overall percentage, they weren&#8217;t actually that far off. Barack actually nailed his number, it just wasn&#8217;t enough to beat Hilary&#8217;s. I have no problem with polling in advance of elections to predict their outcome.  The problem lies in that data being proffered for anything other than speculative commentary.  I enjoy political punditiary.  I&#8217;m hooked on it. But I&#8217;m hooked on it for what it is. Don&#8217;t lose your perspective.  </p>
<p>All of that being said, one thing that is blatantly wrong and needs to stop is predicting winners before an entire vote count has been tabulated.  That isn&#8217;t showmanship, that&#8217;s disrespectful to the process.  Most specifically in elections that cross time-zones and actual election outcomes start being declared while polls are in fact still open.  I feel so strongly about it that, as opposed to over legislating as I am, it should be against the law. It is one thing to report elections results as tallies become available, it&#8217;s another for pontifications such as: &#8220;XYZ News now declares Candiate x the next whatever of somewhere&#8221;. You&#8217;re a journalistic body, it&#8217;s the citizens job to tell you who the next elected official is, not yours to tell us.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey JR,
We REPUBLICANS, would love to face off with your emoitional joke &quot;HillBillary&quot; we&#039;d have a very good laugh indeed, and you still haven&#039;t told me what she has done for us in 35 years???????  What, sit on Wal-Marts board in the 90&#039;s and say what a great company they are, then when it suits her political ambitions, complain about how bad they are? She is an ambitious hypocrite that could not even carry JFK&#039;s jockstrap, let alone do any good for the country, about all she would do is give the same usual cronies a job again....   Like I said mark my words, she will not reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue ever again. Most people if they had a choice would vote for &quot;Mickey Mouse&quot; before they would vote for that do nothing, you know what!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey JR,<br />
We REPUBLICANS, would love to face off with your emoitional joke &#8220;HillBillary&#8221; we&#8217;d have a very good laugh indeed, and you still haven&#8217;t told me what she has done for us in 35 years???????  What, sit on Wal-Marts board in the 90&#8242;s and say what a great company they are, then when it suits her political ambitions, complain about how bad they are? She is an ambitious hypocrite that could not even carry JFK&#8217;s jockstrap, let alone do any good for the country, about all she would do is give the same usual cronies a job again&#8230;.   Like I said mark my words, she will not reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue ever again. Most people if they had a choice would vote for &#8220;Mickey Mouse&#8221; before they would vote for that do nothing, you know what!</p>
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		<title>By: Jersey Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jersey Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah...your blog is baaaack!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;your blog is baaaack!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the problems is that the polling is usually on target. Iowa was one recent example.Being off this much is the exception rather than the rule. BTW the blogeshere is filled with trashing of the media and the pollsters so I don&#039;t see a shortage of scrutiny. The numbers may well have been real over the weekend. The polling pros didn&#039;t keep an eye on the ball and it was a curve ball. Shame on them. 
The thing I don&#039;t get is: if soooooo many people distrust the media and don&#039;t believe what they hear, who is it that&#039;s being manipulated?
But, it&#039;s not the end of the Republic. There are lots more primaries and if you don&#039;t believe what you read/hear, take it with a grain of salt. Or - if you don&#039;t like the 24/7 barrage- turn off the TV and do something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the problems is that the polling is usually on target. Iowa was one recent example.Being off this much is the exception rather than the rule. BTW the blogeshere is filled with trashing of the media and the pollsters so I don&#8217;t see a shortage of scrutiny. The numbers may well have been real over the weekend. The polling pros didn&#8217;t keep an eye on the ball and it was a curve ball. Shame on them.<br />
The thing I don&#8217;t get is: if soooooo many people distrust the media and don&#8217;t believe what they hear, who is it that&#8217;s being manipulated?<br />
But, it&#8217;s not the end of the Republic. There are lots more primaries and if you don&#8217;t believe what you read/hear, take it with a grain of salt. Or &#8211; if you don&#8217;t like the 24/7 barrage- turn off the TV and do something else.</p>
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		<title>By: v c bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>v c bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where do I start.  Core belief number one that Mr. Gluck dosn&#039;t mention.  Journalism should be and always be about the public trust.

When was the last time you heard that?

Cronkite had it, Hugh Sidey Had it, Bob Shiefer has it.  Yes I think Larry Kane has it.  

But really when was the last time we the users of news heard from the providers of news that PUBLIC TRUST was first and foremost on there mind.

Sadly competition, ad sales and revenue concerns has driven the News Business, print, television, radio or electronic to a frenzy.

Accountability is never talked about in the news.   I don&#039;t see anyone talking about the incredible failure of the pollsters Tuesday night.  Although do read Carl Roves thoughtful analysis in today&#039;s Wall Street Journal if you want to get some understanding of what happened.  Should the pollsters and pundits be held accountable.   In any other business they would be.

In fact as a retired military officer I find the entire thing thought provoking. Clearly we always hear the news hammer away at the millitary for mistakes made and demand accontablility.  It is a rough business where the Monday morning Quarterbacks have the advantage of not ducking bullets.

We hear continually about the failure of Military intelligence the latest favorite is the issue of no Weapons of Mass Destruction In Iraq.  Look at how inteligence is collected in a hostile place like N.Korea, Iran, Iraq or the like. It is done by technology in the sky looking in from hundreds of miles from space. It is done by clandestine operatives on the ground who often risk their lives to get slim pickings of what is often one piece of a jigsaw puzzel.

Tuesday night the journalistic intelligence system failed.  Pundits and Pollsters blew it by a wide margin and are not being held up for scrutiny. No one was shot at.  

The availablity of information was there for free in volumns.   Operatives in New Hampshire protected by the Constitution had access to collect data as needed in mass.  The effor was massive.

Net it out. They blew it by a country mile.

Next time you hear the press and pundits hammer the failure of military intelligence from the press pause please.  Point out to the harpies the failure of New Hampshire where they had easy pickings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where do I start.  Core belief number one that Mr. Gluck dosn&#8217;t mention.  Journalism should be and always be about the public trust.</p>
<p>When was the last time you heard that?</p>
<p>Cronkite had it, Hugh Sidey Had it, Bob Shiefer has it.  Yes I think Larry Kane has it.  </p>
<p>But really when was the last time we the users of news heard from the providers of news that PUBLIC TRUST was first and foremost on there mind.</p>
<p>Sadly competition, ad sales and revenue concerns has driven the News Business, print, television, radio or electronic to a frenzy.</p>
<p>Accountability is never talked about in the news.   I don&#8217;t see anyone talking about the incredible failure of the pollsters Tuesday night.  Although do read Carl Roves thoughtful analysis in today&#8217;s Wall Street Journal if you want to get some understanding of what happened.  Should the pollsters and pundits be held accountable.   In any other business they would be.</p>
<p>In fact as a retired military officer I find the entire thing thought provoking. Clearly we always hear the news hammer away at the millitary for mistakes made and demand accontablility.  It is a rough business where the Monday morning Quarterbacks have the advantage of not ducking bullets.</p>
<p>We hear continually about the failure of Military intelligence the latest favorite is the issue of no Weapons of Mass Destruction In Iraq.  Look at how inteligence is collected in a hostile place like N.Korea, Iran, Iraq or the like. It is done by technology in the sky looking in from hundreds of miles from space. It is done by clandestine operatives on the ground who often risk their lives to get slim pickings of what is often one piece of a jigsaw puzzel.</p>
<p>Tuesday night the journalistic intelligence system failed.  Pundits and Pollsters blew it by a wide margin and are not being held up for scrutiny. No one was shot at.  </p>
<p>The availablity of information was there for free in volumns.   Operatives in New Hampshire protected by the Constitution had access to collect data as needed in mass.  The effor was massive.</p>
<p>Net it out. They blew it by a country mile.</p>
<p>Next time you hear the press and pundits hammer the failure of military intelligence from the press pause please.  Point out to the harpies the failure of New Hampshire where they had easy pickings.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you really want to blame someone for the downfall of the democratic process, blame Ted Turner. He&#039;s the one who first figured out that we the people needed 24/7 news coverage. Along came the Gulf War then the OJ trial and suddenly we&#039;re hooked. 
With nothing but air time to fill, the all &quot;news&quot; stations have sacrificed truth for speculation. They give us stories from every imaginable point of view, but in the end deliver nothing.(ie election forecasts) Why do I need to know everything about every pretty white girl that has been killed? 
Is it to much to ask news anchors not to mention Britney Spears and Ahamdinejad in the same breath? Can the truth be that these &quot;all news&quot; stations are more entertaining than what else is on TV?
Has anyone read a good book lately?
Mr. Gluck when judgment day comes you can rest assured that Ted Turner will be the one to burn in hell for eternity not you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really want to blame someone for the downfall of the democratic process, blame Ted Turner. He&#8217;s the one who first figured out that we the people needed 24/7 news coverage. Along came the Gulf War then the OJ trial and suddenly we&#8217;re hooked.<br />
With nothing but air time to fill, the all &#8220;news&#8221; stations have sacrificed truth for speculation. They give us stories from every imaginable point of view, but in the end deliver nothing.(ie election forecasts) Why do I need to know everything about every pretty white girl that has been killed?<br />
Is it to much to ask news anchors not to mention Britney Spears and Ahamdinejad in the same breath? Can the truth be that these &#8220;all news&#8221; stations are more entertaining than what else is on TV?<br />
Has anyone read a good book lately?<br />
Mr. Gluck when judgment day comes you can rest assured that Ted Turner will be the one to burn in hell for eternity not you.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news media wants to make the news or be the news rather than report the news.

I&#039;m convinced that it is due to their own self-importance.

Many of them think they are just as important as the people elected to represent us in government.  Except the news media is elected by NO ONE.

News media figures often say, when asked about their role, that they &quot;represent the people&quot; - how dare they think that!  If they purport to represent me, then I want a say in who does it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news media wants to make the news or be the news rather than report the news.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced that it is due to their own self-importance.</p>
<p>Many of them think they are just as important as the people elected to represent us in government.  Except the news media is elected by NO ONE.</p>
<p>News media figures often say, when asked about their role, that they &#8220;represent the people&#8221; &#8211; how dare they think that!  If they purport to represent me, then I want a say in who does it.</p>
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